Man Fired After GPS Showed He Was Not at Work.

[Johnboy60]

There's no point in lying anymore. With new technology, someone will always catch you whether it's on camera, through spyware, or GPS. Take the following anecdote as a lesson: It seems John Halpin, a supervising carpenter for the New York City school system, was let go after he was caught skipping out early and falsifying his time sheets.

http://www.switched.com/2007/09/04/man-fired-after-gps-showed-he-was-not-at-work/

 

[Meshavrischika]

There's no point in lying anymore. With new technology, someone will always catch you whether it's on camera, through spyware, or GPS. Take the following anecdote as a lesson: It seems John Halpin, a supervising carpenter for the New York City school system, was let go after he was caught skipping out early and falsifying his time sheets.

http://www.switched.com/2007/09/04/man-fired-after-gps-showed-he-was-not-at-work/

hehehe

that's what he gets for telling lies.

 

[wpiman2]

That or hell.

It is ridiculous. A colleague of man was finishing up a routine surgery and passed the buck to his intern to finish up. He had a few errands to do.

It was all in the papers and he got sued. If he has to be at work, why shouldn't blue collared people?

 

[HumbleMan]

If you're going to be paid for the time worked, on in the physician's case paid for the procedure performed, then you should actually complete your shift/responsibilities.

 

[IisJustMe]

What got my attention was the feedback from AOL subscribers. They were howling over this. What ever happened to expecting people to actually do what they're supposed to do? Sheez!

 

[wiggsfly]

I've seen this happen to airplane crews as well.

 

[trunks2k]

Some people worry about the government using RFID chips and stuff to track people. I've said each an every time that if you're going to worry about being tracked, it's your cell phone you need to worry about. This just goes to illustrate the point.

 

[Lockguy3000]

We are watching, we have eyes everywhere.
"Your Big Brother"

 

[IisJustMe]

Again, if one is hired to do a job, he should do it. Period. The guy shouldn't blame "big brother" or his cell phone or anything else. He's the one who left early and wasn't where he was supposed to be. Neither "big brother" nor his cell phone made him be stupid.

 

[Meshavrischika]

Again, if one is hired to do a job, he should do it. Period. The guy shouldn't blame "big brother" or his cell phone or anything else. He's the one who left early and wasn't where he was supposed to be. Neither "big brother" nor his cell phone made him be stupid.

that's like the people who cry "invasion of privacy" when they get caught with porn on their work computer... lol...

the phone, if paid for by work, is totally theirs to access and do whatever with. maybe he shoulda just left it at work

 

[trunks2k]

Just a note for those who are interested.

Cell phones with handset based location solutions (i.e. GPS) usually have an option to turn off location generation. But by federal mandate all cell phones must be able to produce a location when the call 911, so on those phones, a location will be generated when you call 911. Short of physical steps, you can't keep that from happening.

Other cell phones that use network based solutions (ie UTDOA), you cannot stop the location from happening on request short of turning off the cell phone since all the calculation is done on the phone network not the actual phone; the phone isn't really aware it's being located.

Verizon uses handset based solutions, T-Mobile and Cingular use network based solutions.

Each means of generating a location has its own strengths and weaknesses. New government regulations are more stringent than the previous regulations, so don't be surprised if in a couple years all cellphones use both handset and network based solutions. Meaning that theoretically, there may be nothing you can do to keep from being located via your cellphone outside of turning it off.

 

[IisJustMe]

Just a note for those who are interested.

Cell phones with handset based location solutions (i.e. GPS) usually have an option to turn off location generation. But by federal mandate all cell phones must be able to produce a location when the call 911, so on those phones, a location will be generated when you call 911. Short of physical steps, you can't keep that from happening.

Other cell phones that use network based solutions (ie UTDOA), you cannot stop the location from happening on request short of turning off the cell phone since all the calculation is done on the phone network not the actual phone; the phone isn't really aware it's being located.

Verizon uses handset based solutions, T-Mobile and Cingular use network based solutions.

Each means of generating a location has its own strengths and weaknesses. New government regulations are more stringent than the previous regulations, so don't be surprised if in a couple years all cellphones use both handset and network based solutions. Meaning that theoretically, there may be nothing you can do to keep from being located via your cellphone outside of turning it off.

If you're where you're supposed to be, and not doing something you shouldn't be doing, you don't have to worry about whether your cell phone can be used to locate you or not.

 

[Lockguy3000]

that's like the people who cry "invasion of privacy" when they get caught with porn on their work computer... lol...

the phone, if paid for by work, is totally theirs to access and do whatever with. maybe he shoulda just left it at work

Again, if one is hired to do a job, he should do it. Period. The guy shouldn't blame "big brother" or his cell phone or anything else. He's the one who left early and wasn't where he was supposed to be. Neither "big brother" nor his cell phone made him be stupid.

both of you got it all wrong about me, who you think helps them keep track of employees

 

[Lockguy3000]

Another case seven years ago, another head of maintainance of the NYC public school system.
He filed for over two hundred thousand in over time, he got caught working on his 36 feet fishing boat at his summer home.

How he got caught, sorry trade secret

Addition: being fired is the least of his worries, this is consider theft

 

[IisJustMe]

both of you got it all wrong about me, who you think helps them keep track of employees

So the "we" was not sarcasm. Gotcha. LOL

 

[SeraphymCrashing]

If you're where you're supposed to be, and not doing something you shouldn't be doing, you don't have to worry about whether your cell phone can be used to locate you or not.

Always the argument from those who trust the people in power to always have our best interests in mind.

What, People in power might be tempted to abuse that power? Like finding out who a reporters informant is, or which people are attending unpopular politcal groups, or who might be a whistleblower for a corrupt government agency?

Well, maybe its not such a great idea to give absolute trust and power to them then.

Seriously, do you really think that the ability to locate everyone at any time isn't ripe for abuse, or that our system is immune from abuse?

 

[IisJustMe]

Always the argument from those who trust the people in power to always have our best interests in mind.

Always the excuse for mistrust by those who think there is a conspiracy under every rock. That's why we have laws. This is a democracy, and while not every crime is punished, the "great (insert favorite evil strawman here) conspiracy" cannot escape detection for very long. Nixon's coverup held together for about seven weeks before it unraveled and that is the only truly major challenge to constitutional power this nation has faced in the last fifty years. To believe that such covert, secretive operations exist, as are envisioned by people who readily accept the existence of UFO's but not the basic good character of those who are assigned the task of protecting our national interests is to invest in tin foil as headgear. Newsflash for all conspiracy nuts: WTC # 7 came down as a result of terrorist attacks, Hussein really did have WMD's and Osama bin Laden, not the CIA and FBI, is the real enemy of the American people. Get a life!

 

[SeraphymCrashing]

Always the excuse for mistrust by those who think there is a conspiracy under every rock. That's why we have laws. This is a democracy, and while not every crime is punished, the "great (insert favorite evil strawman here) conspiracy" cannot escape detection for very long. Nixon's coverup held together for about seven weeks before it unraveled and that is the only truly major challenge to constitutional power this nation has faced in the last fifty years. To believe that such covert, secretive operations exist, as are envisioned by people who readily accept the existence of UFO's but not the basic good character of those who are assigned the task of protecting our national interests is to invest in tin foil as headgear. Newsflash for all conspiracy nuts: WTC # 7 came down as a result of terrorist attacks, Hussein really did have WMD's and Osama bin Laden, not the CIA and FBI, is the real enemy of the American people. Get a life!

You have completely mischaracterized my position (not that I expected any better). I'm not claiming there is a conspiracy behind every rock, I recognizing the fact that politicans are corrupt, and power is abused, not in a monolithic evil world conspiracy way, but in a personal gain, every one out for themselves way.

I am well aware of the fact that terrorists attacked us, I am also well aware of the fact that we have done extremely little to actually hamper them, and much has been done to slowly chip away at our personal liberties. (or maybe you actually think taking your shoes off at the airport prevents terrorism. Remember the rules in place on 9/11 would have prevented the terrorists getting on board, except they bribed a security official. so all the new rules still won't do a thing should they bribe another official.)

The patriot act is the perfect example. How may terrorists have we caught with its expanded powers? How many people have been targeted that are not terrorists?

Here's some info to help you decide:
http://www.aclu.org/safefree/general/17564prs20050404.html
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4756403
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/07/21/attack/main564189.shtml

The fact of the matter is that when you give people power, they will use it. And sometimes they will use it in inappropriate ways. The lesson here is to give them the power with either total transparency or serious checks and balances, or simply not at all.

And a little tip, best not to call others conspiracy nuts when you are claiming that Hussein actually had WMDs. You end up looking like the crazy one.

 

[IisJustMe]

You have completely mischaracterized my position (not that I expected any better). I'm not claiming there is a conspiracy behind every rock, I recognizing the fact that politicans are corrupt, and power is abused, not in a monolithic evil world conspiracy way, but in a personal gain, every one out for themselves way.

So of course, every power granted will be abused and no agency that sanctions covert ops can be trusted? Tell me your viewpoint is different than that!

I am well aware of the fact that terrorists attacked us, I am also well aware of the fact that we have done extremely little to actually hamper them, and much has been done to slowly chip away at our personal liberties. (or maybe you actually think taking your shoes off at the airport prevents terrorism.

In case you have forgotten, the reason we have to take our shows off at the airport is because of would-be shoe bomber Richard Reid. I doubt that Zacaria Moussaoui would agree with you that "nothing has been done to deter them" nor wouldKhalid Sheikh Mohammed. Mohammed al-Qahtani, Ramzi Binalshibh, Ali Abd al-Aziz Ali, Mustafa Ahmad al-Hawsawi; and Waleed bin Attash. Those are just eight of the over 900 suspected terrorists arrested worldwide since 9/11, many of them detained and facing charges in countries not considered overtly friendly to the US or it's interests. That's a sign that no one except the Islamic fanatics are in favor of terror as a weapon.Mustafa Ahmad al-Hawsawi; and Waleed bin Attash Remember the rules in place on 9/11 would have prevented the terrorists getting on board, except they bribed a security official. so all the new rules still won't do a thing should they bribe another official.)[/quote]That's nonsense. The only reference to bribery of an official in connection with 9/11 is when fired FBI translator Sibel Edmonds told some off-the-wall Internet "news" site she was bribed to keep quiet about bad translations of intercepted international traffic leading up to 9/11, but after it occurred. There is nothing in the 9/11 Commission report or on major news sites about this alleged bribery you purport to know about. The fact is, box cutters were allowed. Duct tape was allowed. If they hadn't been, perhaps the hijackers would have been denied boarding passes, but more likely they would have figured out something else to use as weapons.

The patriot act is the perfect example. How may terrorists have we caught with its expanded powers?

179, as of 2004. Those are convictions for terrorist activity aimed at the US or it's allies. Overall, there have been over 500 arrests. Most of those case are still pending

How many people have been targeted that are not terrorists?

None. The liberal blogs claim 45 people have been arrested under Patriot Act, but there is no evidence whatsoever that is the case. The most famous is probably David Banach, who initially lied to FBI agents by saying it was his daughter who pointed three green laser beams at airborne helicopters and planes flying near their home. He became the darling of the anti-Patriot Act activists. But Banach was found by a simple neighborhood canvass by the FBI, based on the pilots' reports of where the beams seemed to originate. Banach is either the supreme idiot, or he had evil intent in shining those beams on those aircraft. Either way, he got of light with two years' probation.

The fact of the matter is that when you give people power, they will use it. And sometimes they will use it in inappropriate ways.[/qujote]I agree. What I do not agree with is your obviously blanket assumption that it will always be used inappropriately. I reach that conclusion by your hysterical accusations of "violations" that are no such thing.

The lesson here is to give them the power with either total transparency or serious checks and balances, or simply not at all.

"Total transparency" in anti-terrorism operations? Yeah, right. Why not just give the agents bullhorns and make them announce "Here we come." Get real!

And a little tip, best not to call others conspiracy nuts when you are claiming that Hussein actually had WMDs. You end up looking like the crazy one.

If you read the UN reports selectively with squinted eyes, you might believe he didn't. I choose to believe he did, because he in fact did. His friends in Russia, France and Germany stalled UN action, and derailed the truth to the extent that he had time to get them out of the country or destroy them. Good for the trio of European nations he did, since much of it would have been stamped "Made in [Germany] [France] [Russia]" and that wouldn't have been good for their international image.