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In a few threads on here lately, I've seen discussion as to whether or not Christianity should be a state religion, and whether or not a Christian theocracy would be a desirable thing. Such a discussion, of course, leads to questions as to what laws would be desirable. I'd like to see people's opinions on the following:

If you had the power to make and repeal whatever laws you wanted, what laws would you make, and what laws would you repeal? Why?

I'll start the ball rolling by listing a few of the laws I'd change if I could...

1. Repeal all laws relating to 'indecent exposure' and public nudity.
I believe laws forbidding a person to be naked when and where they want are an infringement of personal freedom.

2. Repeal all laws relating to ages of sexual consent. Instead, make it illegal to have sexual contact with a child (ie., pre-pubescent).
I believe the age of consent concept is inherently flawed. The idea that a person overnight becomes 'legal' is ridiculous. Similarly, the idea that a person below a certain age cannot give informed consent is ludicrous. The fact is that some adolescents are sufficiently mature and developed to give such consent and have sex. Obviously, some are not - but they are not compelled to do so.

3. Repeal all laws concerning spouses. Abolish marriage as a state-recognised institution. Instead, create a state-maintained list of next-of-kin whereby persons could register who they want to be considered their next-of-kin for all purposes. Treat people in relationships as single people for tax purposes.
I find the state-recognised marriage concept to be archaic and of little use. Removing it entirely would prevent further discrimination against homosexuals and put everyone on an equal footing. Of course, nothing in this legislation would prevent marriage; it would merely stop state recognition of such.

4. Repeal all laws regarding male responsibility for offspring. Create a state-registered 'agreement to parent' whereby n people (of any gender) can register to be parents of a child (before or after its birth). These parents are individually responsible for the child financially and legally until it comes of age. This agreement cannot be rescinded without consent of all parents on the agreement. In the absence of such an agreement, the mother is responsible for the child financially and legally until it comes of age; the father is responsible for half the medical expenses incurred by the pregnancy/abortion/birth only.
This is an attempt to create a more reasoned framework for parental responsibility. Currently, a man can be held responsible for a child he doesn't want without having any say in the matter. He has no authority as to whether the child is born or aborted, kept or adopted - yet he can be held responsible for the consequences of a decision in which he had no part. This law recognises the fact that it is women, and women only, who have the right to determine whether or not they will bear a child and what will happen to it once born. Accordingly, since they have the sole authority, they have the sole responsibility as well. Of course, if an agreement such as that described above is in place, then the responsibility is shared, and it is agreements like this that I would see being signed in the majority of cases - ie., for 'wanted' children of couples.

5. Pass laws to make arson, murder, sexual contact with a child, kidnapping and rape punishable by painless execution.
Not a popular one, no doubt. However, I believe there are people without whom society is better off.

6. Repeal all laws concerning controlled/illicit/illegal substances. Instead, make consumption of all drugs legal and managed by the state in the same fashion as alcohol is managed now.
The idea that the government (or anyone else) can tell a person they are not allowed to consume a certain substance is abhorrent to me. People have the moral right to take whatever drugs they want (just to let you know, I don't take drugs or drink).

7. Repeal all laws regarding tax exemption. Make all organisations, of whatever purpose and nature, liable for tax.
Sorta speaks for itself. If an organisation can't pay its own way, then let it die.

8. Make sexual education mandatory for all children via the state education system. Such education is to be aimed at an appropriate level given the age of the children, but is to impart the basics before puberty. This education will discuss the biological and physical aspects of sex, including contraceptive options (including abstinence).
I believe one of the leading causes of teen pregnancy, STD rates, etc., is lack of knowledge. Some part of this is caused by such things as abstinence only programs, parents who don't want their children to have sex education, and so forth. In my opinion, not teaching them the facts is actively harmful, and the government is justified in ignoring parents' wishes that they not be taught such, for their own sake.

No doubt I'll think of some more after I post this, but these will do for a start...
 

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I would make t he law the bible... simply put.

Marriage/sex/age- Marriage would be between one male and one female in which the vows are harder legally to break. The child or childrens going in case of a divorce would be depending on who want to care for the child. I believe much of the reason that women today so desperately want the child in a divorce is the child support. This was if the woman want the child full time she must pay for it. Not the father that only sees the child once a week... this should be likewise, if the male wants the child then he should pay for it.

Abortion would be outlawed in any form fashion or style.

Stem Cell research would be demolished, for it feeds off abortion.

Prayer would be an opportunity in school and was open to anyone as well as the ten commandments and "in God we trust."

Public Indecensy would be harsher. No poeple walking around in underware. Breasts hanging out and tights choking clothes would be considered indecent.

If I could change these things I would but like it was stated this is just my views and I know that they would make America a much better place. If you want more freedom as America stands for then I would see that only as following the law of God.

In Christs Love,
All4one :clap:
 
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All4one said:
I would make t he law the bible... simply put.

Marriage/sex/age- Marriage would be between one male and one female in which the vows are harder legally to break. The child or childrens going in case of a divorce would be depending on who want to care for the child. I believe much of the reason that women today so desperately want the child in a divorce is the child support. This was if the woman want the child full time she must pay for it. Not the father that only sees the child once a week... this should be likewise, if the male wants the child then he should pay for it.
What about infertile couples? Did you know your rationalization against gay marriage was used in previous times to abolish the marriages of infertile couples.
All4one said:
Abortion would be outlawed in any form fashion or style.
And that is not you to decide...
All4one said:
Stem Cell research would be demolished, for it feeds off abortion.
Wrong again, kiddo. Most of your stem-cell research is dealing with umblical tissue and even adult-cells. Also on top of that, the current research is going away from 'fetal stem-cells' on account that there is a trend of evidence that shows it's not the magic bullet so many thought it was. Adult cells are becoming the interest of some scientists presently.
All4one said:
Prayer would be an opportunity in school and was open to anyone as well as the ten commandments and "in God we trust."
Can I start calling a prayer meeting for my Buddhist buddies in class? What about having my muslim pals roll out the prayer rugs and going to town before we take our Trig finals? I would love to do that. :D
All4one said:
Public Indecensy would be harsher. No poeple walking around in underware. Breasts hanging out and tights choking clothes would be considered indecent.
Not for you to decide. Also there are 'lemon tests' for what each locality allows. Some localities allow for women to be bare-chested[many of these laws go back to 1890s.]. And by the way, the word is INDECENCY. bleh!
All4one said:
If I could change these things I would but like it was stated this is just my views and I know that they would make America a much better place. If you want more freedom as America stands for then I would see that only as following the law of God.
What about the fact that God is never referenced anywhere in the Constitution? And the fact that Article 6 of the Constitution states clearly THERE SHALL BE NO RELIGIOUS TEST FOR ANY OFFICE OF GOVERNMENT. Wow gotta forget that little procedural huh?

-- Bridget
 
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Norea said:
And that is not you to decide...
I think you missed the OP. Here is what was asked for on this thread:

The Bellman--
"If you had the power to make and repeal whatever laws you wanted, what laws would you make, and what laws would you repeal? Why?"

So, it is his to decide. Why are Constitutional arguments used in this thread? Clearly the OP is asking for you to make the law... isn't that right there against the Constitution? Let's stay on topic.
 
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Id share everything with everyone equally. No one would earn more than anyone else or be treated as superior to anyone else. We'd all do our fair share and we'd all be happy.People wouldnt lust after false idols, like money or posessions. And criminals would be sent to work off there debt to society in prison camps. They could be used to build hospitals, bridges and more prisons. Its how Jesus would have wanted it.
 
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Just a brief interjection...as somebody else said, I asked in the OP for what you would do if YOU could make the laws...so existing laws (such as the Constitution) are completely irrelevant. What All4One posted as his suggestions would, obviously, violate the Constitution...but who cares? I asked for what he'd do, he told us. I disagree with his suggestions, but in making them he was doing exactly what I asked.
 
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All4one said:
I would make t he law the bible... simply put.
Okay...the bible is the law. So, keeping slaves is okay? We should stone rebellious children? Homosexuals should be put to death? Is that what you're advocating?

All4one said:
Abortion would be outlawed in any form fashion or style.
And where does the bible say this?

All4one said:
Stem Cell research would be demolished, for it feeds off abortion.
No, it doesn't. Aborted fetusses are ONE source of stem cells.

All4one said:
Prayer would be an opportunity in school and was open to anyone as well as the ten commandments and "in God we trust."
So I can pray to Allah, or Buddha, or Vishnu, or Satan in school, no problems?

All4one said:
Public Indecensy would be harsher. No poeple walking around in underware. Breasts hanging out and tights choking clothes would be considered indecent.
And who gets to decide what clothes are 'indecent'? How 'tight' do tight clothes have to be before they're indecent?

All4one said:
...this is just my views and I know that they would make America a much better place.
No, you BELIEVE they would make America a much better place. I believe they would turn America into something disgusting and vile, a place where I would not want anyone I even remotely cared about to live.

All4one said:
If you want more freedom as America stands for then I would see that only as following the law of God.
What you've posted above is your opinion; fair enough. But don't confuse it with any form of freedom. You are talking about a repressive regime that's right up there with the Taliban.
 
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qsus said:
What if a girl is swimming at the beach or in a public pool. Can she wear tight clothing there?
Now you've got me wondering...what about all the world's professional sportsmen and women who make their living wearing tight, often revealing clothing, such as swimmers, divers, gymnasts, cyclists...

What about dancers? Surely leotards are out...

And don't even think about women wearing short skirts in summer...'modesty' is much more important than comfort. If a few of them get heatstroke...well, that's a small price to pay for nobody being 'indecent'.

I'll never understand why some christians are so terrified of the human body.
 
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1. Legalize hemp

Hemp is very different from marijuana. It has only 1% THC so it is almost impossible to get high off it. It is extrordinarily useful in clothing, textiles, and many other areas. (1 acre of hemp = same amount of paper as 4 acres of trees). Hemp seeds are also very nutritious, probably the most nutritious plant known aside from soybeans. Tastes better than tofu, too :)

2. Legalize all drugs, put a 200% tax on all of them.

With the $20 billion saved annually from the drug war, combined with the massive amounts of money coming from taxes (estimated $40 billion per year easily), we could easily rid ourselves of debt.

3. Help other countries fix their economy instead of blindly donating money to their governments.

With this massive cash flow we would now have, we could slowly start fixing other's countries and economies. We would need to find a differeent way to do this, however; we can doate as much money as we want to a country's government and they will use it to benefit themselves instead of their citizens. If it has to go to the point of forcefully removing dictators, such as our current situation in Iraq, so be it.

4. Find better renewable sources of energy.

Mainly hydrogen power. Much safer than nuclear power (if nuke reactors have a melt down it can becatastrophic; if a hydrogen plant melts down, you might get at most a flood). Slowly start to replace all car engines that run off gas with ones that run of hydrogen, until oil is no longer needed.

5. Re-institute space program, perhaps making it available to the public.

I think a lot more attention needs to be paid to exploring space; the possibilities are limitless.

I can't think of much else, but there is probably a lot more I would do. I woudl agree with everything Bellman is doing too, except for perhaps using the death penalty a little more sparsely than he does.
 
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Hello Bellman! Just wanted to say I will not post here anymore as I can see that we always contrast. I just thought it was OP and not critisism...

BTW:
Okay...the bible is the law. So, keeping slaves is okay? We should stone rebellious children? Homosexuals should be put to death? Is that what you're advocating?


This is the OT... not relavent in the NT in which we live today. Things changed when Christ died for our sins.

In Christs Love,
All4one :clap:
 
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I would ban abortion for any and all reasons. I would ban the use of stem cells that come from aborted babies. I would put the bible back in schools , and put prayer back in schools. I would ban any kind of indecency. I would make all drug laws harsher.

If I think of any more I will post them.
 
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aimejl said:
I would ban abortion for any and all reasons. I would ban the use of stem cells that come from aborted babies. I would put the bible back in schools , and put prayer back in schools. I would ban any kind of indecency. I would make all drug laws harsher.

If I think of any more I will post them.

What if the having the baby would kill the mother? Stem cells don't come from abortions. Would the bible be next to the all the other holy books, or would every other religon be SOL? Would it be ok if the children prayed to whomever they want? What counts as indecency?
 
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Norea said:
What about infertile couples? Did you know your rationalization against gay marriage was used in previous times to abolish the marriages of infertile couples.
And that is not you to decide...
Wrong again, kiddo. Most of your stem-cell research is dealing with umblical tissue and even adult-cells. Also on top of that, the current research is going away from 'fetal stem-cells' on account that there is a trend of evidence that shows it's not the magic bullet so many thought it was. Adult cells are becoming the interest of some scientists presently.
Can I start calling a prayer meeting for my Buddhist buddies in class? What about having my muslim pals roll out the prayer rugs and going to town before we take our Trig finals? I would love to do that. :D
Not for you to decide. Also there are 'lemon tests' for what each locality allows. Some localities allow for women to be bare-chested[many of these laws go back to 1890s.]. And by the way, the word is INDECENCY. bleh!
What about the fact that God is never referenced anywhere in the Constitution? And the fact that Article 6 of the Constitution states clearly THERE SHALL BE NO RELIGIOUS TEST FOR ANY OFFICE OF GOVERNMENT. Wow gotta forget that little procedural huh?

-- Bridget
It's real easy to criticize what others belief. So instead of doing that, tell us what laws you would like to changed or enacted.
 
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aimejl said:
I would ban abortion for any and all reasons. I would ban the use of stem cells that come from aborted babies. I would put the bible back in schools , and put prayer back in schools. I would ban any kind of indecency. I would make all drug laws harsher.

If I think of any more I will post them.

Hmm. Tell me, would the Quran be put back in schools? How about the Rg Veda?

Who is the judge on indecency?

What would harsher drug laws accomplish? Look at alcohol prohibition in the 20's, it did nothing, what makes you thing marijuana prohibition is gonna do better?
 
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psychedelicist said:
Hmm. Tell me, would the Quran be put back in schools? How about the Rg Veda?

Who is the judge on indecency?

What would harsher drug laws accomplish? Look at alcohol prohibition in the 20's, it did nothing, what makes you thing marijuana prohibition is gonna do better?
just the christian bible only! prostitution would be outlawed, public nudity would be outlawed.
 
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