Make-up: What do Orthodox say?

[Prawnik]

You're quite the lady Babochka! Be what you are and live it out! (Leef dit uit!)

Kolya

This is true, she is quite a lady. Many years to you, Babochka, and you, Kolya!

 

[Khaleas]

Vasya,

These cultural values are not resrticted to North America. It is a world wide problem now. I have to pray with my beads while walking across town not to let my thoughts stray by what is being flouted on the streets.

Just my humble 2c worth.

Kolya

This is exactly the slippery slope where I get in trouble between academic and faith. In one of my classes right now we're talking about Growth of Geographic Thought including religious view on the earth (flat, earth-centric etc) and what the changes meant to church authority. Personally I'm really liking Natural Theology where they basically feel that Earth was made for man/designed for man and God keeps a balance in the environment etc. Basically God is always imminent in nature and the things that couldn't be explained rationally was just to show that God made it and it's too much for man to understand. It allows for some things to be understood, but also allows for some things to be unexplainable. I love the saying they thought they brought forward that Geography is the best science to prove God exists. So this last essay I had to argue if Geography could be considered a science from the Classical times through the Enlightenment and it just got my mind going a little too much. In the end I had to cut a bunch of stuff.

Well, in any case. Back to what I was thinking about... The tries to remove God in this country is just mind boggling. People need to really look back at history... Yes, people came over here to escape religious oppression but that was just a tiny part, most came due to famine and plain old desire for riches. It didn't mean they didn't have a faith.
I mean I've had a professor claim the founding fathers were atheist!!! I mean come ON... has he read the Constitution... he must have missed something (or maybe he had the new 'PC' version - no wait, PC is not a ok word anymore). The way I see it, you can believe whatever you want, but you need to recognize that there is a Higher Power and especially a higher moral power.
It never ceases to amaze me that they keep talking about how 'secular' Europe is... bunch of BS. No, church attendance isn't as high as it is here nor do people openly talk much about religion. But, most people feel they have a Christian value system. I mean there are state churches (and you're still free to believe whatever you want), church tax, religion in public schools, presidents are head of church (which is kinda funny in Finland because our President is not a member of the church, yet she is still the head of the church) etc. And when the European Union is trying to write a new Constitution there was an outcry because the draft doesn't mention God anywhere.
Yes, some things have been taken a bit too far (headscarfs in France) but in comparison the US is a whole lot more secularized than Europe.
At the same time I do think us Christians need to be a little less judgemental and realize that God has granted us all the choices and not all make the right choice in our eyes. I don't think it's up to us to judge and condemn... that's for someone with a whole lot more say in the matter. And yes, I'm wasteful and live in excess... I love gadgets and nice clothes, but God isn't going to be around to smack me every time I buy a new pair of shoes. I've got to think for myself and that I can live without things and also help others. Our Father was just talking about this after the readings on Sunday. God isn't going to to sit there with a list: On March 3 1982 you did this, on August 16 1995 you did that... he looks at the big picture and I think that's what we need to do too. Especially since it's not up to us to make those choices. All we can do is pray for the others and hopefully they'll realize where they could be in their life (well, according to what we think they should realize).

 

[Grand_Duchess-Elizaveta]

Very cool babochka! I love shalwar kameez too! I have a couple of sets and whenever I wear them I think "why don't I dress like this every day?" There are Western styled options for modest clothing. I like www.shukronline.com and www.tznius.com.

Awesome! I have the worst time finding nice, modest clothing. And they have awesome head scarfs, too! Now, if only I had money to spend.

 

[Khaleas]

Very cool babochka! I love shalwar kameez too! I have a couple of sets and whenever I wear them I think "why don't I dress like this every day?" There are Western styled options for modest clothing. I like www.shukronline.com and www.tznius.com.

Blessings!

I really liked the clothes at Tznius!! Thanks for that link!
I went to Target the other day to see if I could find some long skirts for church... not one... not a single one for sale.
But not really any point to start to rant about it... it's capitalism and we can all make our choices.

 

[33ad]

This is true, she is quite a lady. Many years to you, Babochka, and you, Kolya!

Thanks,
And many years to you too. (Darn, I still can't rep you!)

Kolya

 

[Monica child of God 1]

I don't think it's up to us to judge and condemn... that's for someone with a whole lot more say in the matter. And yes, I'm wasteful and live in excess... I love gadgets and nice clothes, but God isn't going to be around to smack me every time I buy a new pair of shoes. I've got to think for myself and that I can live without things and also help others. Our Father was just talking about this after the readings on Sunday. God isn't going to to sit there with a list: On March 3 1982 you did this, on August 16 1995 you did that... he looks at the big picture and I think that's what we need to do too. Especially since it's not up to us to make those choices. All we can do is pray for the others and hopefully they'll realize where they could be in their life (well, according to what we think they should realize).

I really think that is the challenge. We can be totally convinced in our own minds that make up and miniskirts are works of the devil and renounce them completely. The challenge is to do what Bishop Nonos did: refrain from judging those we perceive to be caught in sin, see the lesson in it for the health of our own soul and offer prayers with purity of heart.

Monica

 

[PandaBear]

Well, in any case. Back to what I was thinking about... The tries to remove God in this country is just mind boggling. People need to really look back at history... Yes, people came over here to escape religious oppression but that was just a tiny part, most came due to famine and plain old desire for riches. It didn't mean they didn't have a faith.
I mean I've had a professor claim the founding fathers were atheist!!! I mean come ON... has he read the Constitution... he must have missed something (or maybe he had the new 'PC' version - no wait, PC is not a ok word anymore). The way I see it, you can believe whatever you want, but you need to recognize that there is a Higher Power and especially a higher moral power.

I know this is off-topic, but since you brought it up, I just have a few questions/points.
--Why does everyone keep denigrating the whole "PC" thing? First of all, I don't think politics are at the core of inclusive language, avoiding hate speech, etc. I think it's compassion and sensitivity. I personally try for this, but it's not about politics. And I don't think it's worthy of derision.

And I'm stopping at this point. Everytime I try to expand on this I go off on tangents. I've heard the "PC" term used a few times in this thread, so I'm just checking in on this. Sorry if it's off-topic!

Peace and all good,
PB

 

[Khaleas]

I know this is off-topic, but since you brought it up, I just have a few questions/points.
--Why does everyone keep denigrating the whole "PC" thing? First of all, I don't think politics are at the core of inclusive language, avoiding hate speech, etc. I think it's compassion and sensitivity. I personally try for this, but it's not about politics. And I don't think it's worthy of derision.

And I'm stopping at this point. Everytime I try to expand on this I go off on tangents. I've heard the "PC" term used a few times in this thread, so I'm just checking in on this. Sorry if it's off-topic!

Peace and all good,
PB

Because it has even been publicly said that the term PC is not to be used anymore. I think mainly because it has lost the original meaning which was exactly what you said. So I used it more in the ironic kind of way... Maybe the term: "The liberal university correct way" would have been a better term...
But I still feel that newly made up terms to be sensitive, that we have to use like BCE (Before Common Era) instead of BC and ACE (After Current Era). Same thing - different name. Does it really make a difference??? I think this is not sensitive, but no matter how you turn the steak one side will always be down. Right now the secular side is up, and the Christian side is down... (now did I say steak... hmm, it's no meat already... well in any case... figuratively speaking). So instead of speaking about Christ, they simply come up with another word for it that means the same thing... The same goes for wanting to call Christmas something else... (I mean in Finnish and Swedish the word for Christmas has nothing to do with Christ - but that's what they still celebrate. I did a search on what it means and it's ancient Swedish and actually originates a lot earlier than the word Christmas (Mass of Christmas) was even coined).
I try to be sensitive about how I speak (and the internet is a great place for misunderstandings too) but there is a limit for what is reasonable. Sometimes I feel like I can't say "cat" someone is gonna get offended because their grandfather's sister's husband's cousin twice removed is going to throw a fit because his mother's second husband was allergic. I think a lot of this society has become too sensitive to issues instead of accepting.

 

[PandaBear]

Khaleas

I promise not to keep going and going, but personally, I prefer BCE and CE in an academic setting, as a token showing of objectivity (sets the mood), and in "regular" life outside of that, either one is fine. Factually, BC/AD and BCE/CE mean the same thing, but carry with them different shades of meaning.

Anyway, I'm sure we could start an in-depth thread on all of this, but I fear that my earlier response has the potential to swing the conversation way off of the original intent. I'm not so sure we are talking about the same thing, ultimately, but I imagine it would be a very interesting conversation!

Peace and all good.

 

[rhyddid_rose]

To Life Immortal

Quote:

Originally Posted by: 33ad
You're quite the lady Babochka! Be what you are and live it out! (Leef dit uit!)
Kolya

Prawnik:
This is true, she is quite a lady. Many years to you, Babochka, and you, Kolya!


Aw! You guys are so sweet, thanks
God grant all of TAW many years!


Peace and Long Life
~*~ бабочка ~*~

 

[33ad]

To babochka,

And to your Spirit!

In IC XC

Kolya

 

[PandaBear]

TAW is truly an awesome board..sometimes it's such an emotionally moving experience just reading the posts. I'm learning a lot about Orthodoxy (the Orthodoxy I'm attracted to) by watching the way everyone treats each other at TAW.

Peace and all good!
PB

 

[Dust and Ashes]

TAW is truly an awesome board..sometimes it's such an emotionally moving experience just reading the posts. I'm learning a lot about Orthodoxy (the Orthodoxy I'm attracted to) by watching the way everyone treats each other at TAW.

Peace and all good!
PB

It was the love and unity of those in TAW that most strongly convinced me of the truth of Orthodoxy. It's something to think that this very board was the tool God used to bring me home.

 

[PandaBear]

All,

I'll admit to paranoia, but I just want to check in and make sure that my disagreement with the term PC didn't in some way to contribute to the quieting of this thread. It's very interesting reading and I for one would be saddened if my comments came across the wrong way. If so, I am sorry.

Or maybe I'm paranoid and the thread just ended because there was nothing left to say?

PB

 

[Dust and Ashes]

All,

I'll admit to paranoia, but I just want to check in and make sure that my disagreement with the term PC didn't in some way to contribute to the quieting of this thread. It's very interesting reading and I for one would be saddened if my comments came across the wrong way. If so, I am sorry.

Or maybe I'm paranoid and the thread just ended because there was nothing left to say?

PB

Nah, I think it ended because of my post. Everybody got all misty and started sniffling and had a big group hug then went for coffee and forgot to come back.

 

[PandaBear]

Nah, I think it ended because of my post. Everybody got all misty and started sniffling and had a big group hug then went for coffee and forgot to come back.

LOL! I like your answer better!

PB