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Higher
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kopilo said:Estonia has been liberated many of times, in the cold war there was no attacks because it was an arms race..
What I actually meant to say was their independance (also has happened many of times), in specific the "song festival".
No attacks in the cold war? Take a look at the years 1950-53, and 1964-72. There's more too, but those are the only ones the USA was involved in.
The last shogun united Japan, he made ever samurai visit his castle or him (can't remember which one it is) every two years so they had no time to fight. Also Japan had a major period where it delved into the arts because there was no fighting and Japan was closed off from the world, from this period came Kabuki, japanese flower arraging, oragami, etc..
I bow to your superior knowledge of the subject. The only wars in Japanese history that I know much of are in the Tokugawa era- They all wanted to unify Japan, and it had to be done by force.
As a nation unto itself it was very peaceful for a rather long time. The most famous shogun (sorry can't remember his name) also made Tokyo the captial of Japan
Probably Tokugawa, I believe it was called Edo back then...
Yes it exists in the dreams of those who believe it will come to pass.
Dream all you want. If Schatt hits the fan, I'm getting a rifle.
My response in red...
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kopilo
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My knowledge of japanese history really isn't that good, I only know of certian parts of it, as you can tell by the lack of names etc..Higher said:
Yes (those are the names I was looking for) the Edo period, a period of something like 250 years of peace.
"After the destruction of the Toyotomi clan in 1615 when Ieyasu captured Osaka Castle, he and his successors had practically no rivals anymore, and peace prevailed throughout the Edo period. " - http://www.japan-guide.com/e/e2128.html
So one could say that in this case warfare lead to peace.
world peace thus far exists in dream format, meaning if schatt (excuse our german) hits the fan, then the dream of world peace still exists, doesn't mean the person who dreams of it won't pick up a weapon either.
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kopilo
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world peace could also include wiping every lifeform from the planet.Jetgirl said:
Hence why I would wish for the utopian idea of world harmony where all the countries/people of the world work conglomeratory in harmony (with nature etc) in a productive and positive manner.
then the djinn would go, I don't grant utopian wishes. >.<
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kopilo
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The Seeker said:Why no male humans? Women have started wars too, you know
how else can a particially sexist statment be made to suggest that only around 50% of the population is the cause for war..
Women have been helping in warfare since the beginning of the 20th centuary.
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belladonic-haze
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Okay, I am gonna say this...
If you all have such a violent unhealthy look at life it is no wonder there is so much violence and misery in this world.
If you all have such a violent unhealthy look at life it is no wonder there is so much violence and misery in this world.
Imagine
John Lennon
Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today...
Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religon too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace...
Imagine no possesions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
In a brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...
You may say i'm a dreamer
But i'm not the only one
I hope some day you'll join us
And the world will be as one
And I joined him...and thank God many othersJohn Lennon
Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today...
Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religon too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace...
Imagine no possesions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
In a brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...
You may say i'm a dreamer
But i'm not the only one
I hope some day you'll join us
And the world will be as one
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belladonic-haze said:
Who here has a violent look at life?
I view violence as justified only in self-defense and the defense of others. It should only be done to the minimum extent necessary. It would be great if it never had to be done at all.
People who hold such a view are not responsible for the actions of people who initiate violence on others. It is the initiators of violence who are the cause of violence and misery in the world. It is unfair to say that people who choose to defend themselves from aggression have a "violent" outlook on life.
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belladonic-haze
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kopilo said:If loving life, having fun with friends, being on top of the world, and dancing just out of joy is unhealthy, then I am unhealthy as can be and enjoying every minute of it.
I meant the acceptance of violence is unhealthy! And you knew exactly what I meant.......cause I would be unhealthy too......
wait...I am....
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The Seeker
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Believing that violence is sometimes necessary in order to protect human life is a "violent unhealthy look at life (sic)?" And as for blaming people here for all the "violence and misery in the world," have you considered looking to the people who commit that violence? Or to the socioeconomic circumstances which create much of the violence and misery in the world today? I suppose you haven't.belladonic-haze said:
Spare us all the sacharine, hypocritical pap, please.belladonic-haze said:
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belladonic-haze said:
Have you heard a perfect circle's take on this song? I say it far surpasses the original, turning the childish melody into a dirge. I tend to see Lennon's point of view, but I also read the lyrics as sarcasm internally. Oasis had a pretty good take on this theme called "Let's all Make Believe" which is more ironic, and perhaps more powerful for it.
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kopilo
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Spinrad said:
I don't believe my eyes, you are comparing a John Lennon song to oasis.... I don't see how john lennon aimed to be powerful in what he was saying, that is kinda the point, he is just calling like a wisper for people to imagine, to dream to think of an Idea.
"people will believe it if you wisper it" - the wisper rule
People remember John lennon for his beauty.
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belladonic-haze said:
I meant the acceptance of violence is unhealthy! And you knew exactly what I meant.......cause I would be unhealthy too......
I disagree. Aggressivness and violence are part of human nature. Supressing them only results in stress
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kopilo
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Koz said:
So because it is a human behaviour pattern that makes it ok? just like anger?
You have to remember that humans are internally free so we are also free to make mistakes, and do what can be describe as wrong.
Violence generally results in injury and damage... stress is in the minority of initial consiquences.
surpressing causes stress, well that is why we have something called stress management, also if you let stress and violence out onto someone or something then the after effects may cause more stress then dealing with the inital feelings of agressive and violent thought.
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The Seeker
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Yeahkopilo said:
Oasis' music has anything by that hypocritical, moaning hippy beat hands down any day
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kopilo
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Acutally if people didn't keep mentioning oasis I would have forgotten them by now (can't even remember the songs). However I only know john lennon because one day I was sitting there and "imagine all the people" went through my head for no real reason.The Seeker said:Yeah
Oasis' music has anything by that hypocritical, moaning hippy beat hands down any day
So one could say that oasis is remembered by their popularity.
Anyway you should read back a couple of pages and read through the lyrics to "the chariot" by the cat empire.. I think you would rather enjoy them.
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