Make love....

[belladonic-haze]

Do you need to be suicidal to be non-violent?

LOL....No way, but they think that none violence means watching it from a chair or something. I just wanted to make clear that I would not just sit and watch...I would do anything, as long as it is none violent.

I want to grow old and die in a warm fuzzy bed

My family would kill me if I got myself killed

 

[belladonic-haze]

I am sorry if you feel insulted by what I have said, I am not calling you a coward at all. Your argument seems to be that violence is bad because violence is bad ("How could I oppose violence if I were to act violently"). Sometimes one act of violence can prevent a greater act of violence. How can you justify allowing yourself or others to come to greater harm out of a pig headed refusal to fight back?

Didn't I add a PS that I do not feel insulted? I am not insulted hun......don't worry about me. I have heard these things a 1000 times and still I stand by my believe.......

(PS: I do not feel attacked as a person....just my POV. So keep on coming...

Oh, And I do not loose respect for you because you feel different...we just disagree. And I DO have respect for soldiers who defend us...or else I would disrespect my own dad..... )

Didn't I say I would not try anything to stop violence, except using violence myself?

What is so wrong by being none violent?

 

[kopilo]

Of course it is better to avoid a fight if possible, but once it has become unavoidable, then what?

Yes some people just want to pick fights with whoever, remember that such people also tend to be in a group, I hope to never come accross the unavoidable fight but in such a case, escape is proberly the best option, eg running to a police station if there is one near by.

And if there's nobody around? If you're surrounded? What is wrong with putting someone down and then running to protect yourself?

If you are surrounded with no hope of escape, no offence but you are fairly stuffed no matter what you do.

 

[belladonic-haze]

If you are surrounded with no hope of escape, no offence but you are fairly stuffed no matter what you do.

Well, ain't that the truth

 

[The Seeker]

Didn't I add a PS that I do not feel insulted? I am not insulted hun......don't worry about me. I have heard these things a 1000 times and still I stand by my believe.......

Just wanted to make it clear that I don't think you're a coward

Didn't I say I would not try anything to stop violence, accept using violence myself?

What is so wrong by being none violent?

Nothing in and of itself, but as I said earlier, sometimes the most effective way to protect yourself and others is with violence.

 

[kopilo]

Just wanted to make it clear that I don't think you're a coward


Nothing in and of itself, but as I said earlier, sometimes the most effective way to protect yourself and others is with violence.

maybe you are looking for the quote "offence is the best defense".

personally I find that phrase an oxymoron type of thing to say, but I can see how sometime violence may be the easiest solution in the short term.

"when tempted to fight fire with fire, remember the fire department generally uses water".

 

[belladonic-haze]

Just wanted to make it clear that I don't think you're a coward

Okay, got it.....

Nothing in and of itself, but as I said earlier, sometimes the most effective way to protect yourself and others is with violence.

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I fight back...in my own way. I try to make people aware of the violence against women, I work in church and I have taught sex education on schools. I have taught young girls to always report it, to always say no and even join self defences classes to make them feel safer.....A good defence class will give you pointers to escape, they will teach you how to fight back, but not kill them or use brutal violence or whatever. But all the defence classes in the world can not help you if you are attacked by three strong men. If you become violent the change is they will use more violence as well........

The only thing I regret was not going to the police....but that is another story.

Fighting isn't through violent. Spreading awareness among people is a much stronger weapon.....

Being none violent doesn't mean you let someone walk over you.....

 

[The Seeker]

maybe you are looking for the quote "offence is the best defense".

personally I find that phrase an oxymoron type of thing to say, but I can see how sometime violence may be the easiest solution in the short term.

I have yet to see an explanation why it is wrong to use violence to protect yourself in a situation where your safety (or somebody else's safety) is at risk.

 

[TheBear]

I would expect this thread topic from a starry-eyed 18-year-old, with no grasp on reality.....

wow...

 

[belladonic-haze]

I have yet to see an explanation why it is wrong to use violence to protect yourself in a situation where your safety (or somebody else's safety) is at risk.

If I had used violence, the violence against me would be have worse and I would not having this discussion.....

proof enough?

 

[belladonic-haze]

I would expect this thread topic from a starry-eyed 18-year-old, with no grasp on reality.....

wow...

Thank you

 

[The Seeker]

If I had used violence, the violence against me would be have worse and I would not having this discussion.....

proof enough?

So because it is not wise to use violence in one situation, it is always morally wrong to use violence in any situation?

 

[belladonic-haze]

So because it is not wise to use violence in one situation, it is always morally wrong to use violence in any situation?

Hmm, I believe it is not the way to stop violence. It will only result in more violence......

 

[Jetgirl]

Hmm, I believe it is not the way to stop violence. It will only result in more violence......

Not if the person perpetuating the violence ain't moving any more.

How does using force to stop someone from beating you up create more violence, exactly?

 

[Garnet2727]

It's just not a simple thing. There are times when violence is justified and times when it isn't. While I think it is best to work for non-violent solutions, there are times when it just isn't practical.

The Montgomery Bus Boycott is a prime example where non-violence worked. If the black population here had risen in violence, they would have been slaughtered. As it was, many of the boycotters were brutally beaten, even killed. Yet, in the end, the boycott caused many positive changes.

On another note, I don't think there was a non-violent solution to Hitler in WWII. The only way to stop his rampage was to respond with war.

As for violence against one's self, I've been in a situation where if I had responded with in kind, I would have been killed. Yet, I've been in other situations where the only solution was to knock someone in the head.

There are no easy answers or simple solutions. It all depends on the circumstance.

Edited to add: I just realize that I unintentionally told an untruth. In the situation I was where I said if I had responded in kind I would have been killed wasn't entirely true. In that situation, I couldn't respond in kind because I was physically restrained. I know now that if I could have, I would have responded with extreme violence, and yes, would likely have been killed. Bleah. Not making sense. Just wanted to add that when I've been physically attacked, I've always done my best to respond in kind. I go a little insane when things like that happen.

 

[belladonic-haze]

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[kopilo]

Not if the person perpetuating the violence ain't moving any more.

How does using force to stop someone from beating you up create more violence, exactly?

wow this topic is going quickly... anyway

1) The aggressor may be stopped but generally aggressors also have friends who think like them and may seek revenge.

2) Violence seems to occur when someone is damaged (as by the definition put up from wikipedia), if you hold someone to the ground or push past, or even just block/redirect punched, I haven't heard that as being called violence, but to do any of those successfully you do need to be physically strong.

 

[kopilo]

I have yet to see an explanation why it is wrong to use violence to protect yourself in a situation where your safety (or somebody else's safety) is at risk.

Read the definition, violence is when you intentionally harm someone, if you are defending someone then you may not intentionally harm someone.
More to the point, I have never heard someone say that violence should be used to solve an issue, in fact rather the opposite and always where possible to not use violence.

Maybe if violence was an acceptable way of solving problems then we would have a society of violence.. to me this seems horrofic because if we are "fighting" with ourselves then we are not progressing or living in harmony, but to prove a lack of progress or harmony is negative, is beyound my capibilities.

 

[belladonic-haze]

Violence is a crime.......I never used violence. If I did I would be beaten and worse......I have been a victim of violence three times and I refuse to be like them.....

38"You have heard that it was said, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.'39But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. 40And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. 41If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. 42Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.

 

[Febe]

I am prepared to defence myself, my family and my country, with weapons, if nececcary!
But Never ti use it towards someone that has not attacked...
I can fight inside my lands border - but never outside of it!