MAGA takes Medicaid Personal Health Records

[dogs4thewin]

If one read the article, they’d know that they could have limited their data pull to emergency Medicaid enrollees and states where the state governments allowed illegals to enroll. Instead they are wasting man-hours digging through the whole stack.

Also, according to that article, the immigrant enrollees should be in a separate database anyway because the states weren’t allowed to bill the federal government for those enrollees. Not that those states are overly cooperative.

Anything related to being broke is private and confidential information, because there’s still a stigma about being poor here in the U.S. Let’s just toss the full Medicaid database around where a hacker can get it and expose the personal data of the nation’s most vulnerable people. Smart.

I may or may not agree with handing over the addresses of people who receive medicaid I lean towards no. As to records being confidential information to a certain extent it is and should be. On the other hand, if someone is reaching out for help with basic needs food, medicial care shelter ECT then whomever is providing that help whether it be the government, a charity or a private party should have some right to know what they are doing with the money ( what kind of care it is prviding and in the case of food they should in fact have some right to ensure that it is spend on basic, quality usually mid-range price wise food. If it is their own money it is their business how they spend it, but if they are claiming they need help then to a certain extent it becomes whomever's busiesss that is providing that help.

 

[rjs330]

It's a fishing expedition, and given the kind of information they are getting, they are not fishing for criminals, but for random poor people, which is not such a pressing matter and is not supposed to be their priority.

They are all criminals. They aren't fishing for random poor people They are specifically looking for illegal aliens who have accessed Medicaid. Thats not random. Its a specific targeted approach to locate people who have broken our laws and shouldnt be here accessing our medicaid.

 

[rjs330]

Thirdly, I would work aggressively to discover aliens working here illegally and prosecute their employers and the labor contractors who brought them in. This is a first order problem, not because the aliens are here, but because they are being exploited. If Mexican workers are wanted, there are existing visa programs which have functioned successfully for years which would mitigate that exploitation.

The raids at these businesses are for doing just that along with nabbing the illegals there. They are also grabbing paperwork and records for attempted prosecution of the employers. And that takes time because they are entitled to assertion their rights and not talk to LE. So LE has to do it the hard way.

 

[rjs330]

Fourth is the problem of criminal aliens, This is the most important and most pressing issue. It is also a more comprehensive problem involving drug smuggling and gang related issues and a comprehensive solution is required. It is beyond my competence to produce one for you on the spot, but that is where most of my effort would be spent

They are spending effort on that. But you know where these kinds of criminals are operating? With other illegals, who are also criminals because they are illegals. Its pretty stupid to go show up someplace and have everyone run and only try and get the really bad guys. Which of the runners is the guy your looking for?

And you nab them all and then let all the illegals go who aren't the really bad guys? That is nonsensical.

The immigration law does NOT differentiate between illegals who are really bad guys and who are not. It also does not differentiate between those who have been here a number of years and those who have not.

Thats selective enforcement of a Iaw that dies not allow for selective enforcement.

 

[rjs330]

Secondly, I would not regard people coming in and living productively for decades as a first order problem. Nor would I regard asylum seekers and "pet-eating" Haitians as a first order problem. Until I had a comprehensive immigration program from Congress, I would continue to work with asylum seekers and refugees to adjudicate their status.

Thats selective enforcement. You would require LE to investigate if an illegal has been here for a certain period of time AND been productive?

So they conduct a raid and now you have to investigate each person and discover how long they've been here and if they've been productive?

That just provides further incentive to come illegally. Because if you can stay under the radar you get to stay? Thats incentive to sneak in.

 

[BCP1928]

They are all criminals. They aren't fishing for random poor people They are specifically looking for illegal aliens who have accessed Medicaid. Thats not random. Its a specific targeted approach to locate people who have broken our laws and shouldnt be here accessing our medicaid.

And who else will have access to the data and what will they be looking for?

 

[BCP1928]

They are spending effort on that.

Right now they are just making a show of it..

But you know where these kinds of criminals are operating? With other illegals, who are also criminals because they are illegals. Its pretty stupid to go show up someplace and have everyone run and only try and get the really bad guys. Which of the runners is the guy your looking for?

And you nab them all and then let all the illegals go who aren't the really bad guys? That is nonsensical.

Right, it's a stupid idea that you can't attribute to me no matter how hard you try.

The immigration law does NOT differentiate between illegals who are really bad guys and who are not.

Criminal law certainly does.

It also does not differentiate between those who have been here a number of years and those who have not.

Thats selective enforcement of a Iaw that dies not allow for selective enforcement.

Who is talking about selective enforcement? You have missed the entire point. Rob and I were conducting a thought experiment in which I was hypothetically given absolute authority to solve the immigration crisis with basically all present laws and procedures set aside. If you cannot respond on that basis then perhaps you had better wait until someone comes along who can make an intelligent critique.

 

[Careyap87]

Right now they are just making a show of it..

Right, it's a stupid idea that you can't attribute to me no matter how hard you try.

Criminal law certainly does.

Who is talking about selective enforcement? You have missed the entire point. Rob and I were conducting a thought experiment in which I was hypothetically given absolute authority to solve the immigration crisis with basically all present laws and procedures set aside. If you cannot respond on that basis then perhaps you had better wait until someone comes along who can make an intelligent critique.

Tell me how President Trump is making a show of it?

 

[BCP1928]

Tell me how President Trump is making a show of it?

You mean you haven't been watching?

 

[Careyap87]

You mean you haven't been watching?

Oh I have but he is only taking it away from illegal only putting America first ONLY.

 

[BCP1928]

Oh I have but he is only taking it away from illegal only putting America first ONLY.

America first, including the Americans who exploit illegal aliens and the labor contractors who supply them, because it's the illegal aliens who are the real criminals.

 

[Careyap87]

America first, including the Americans who exploit illegal aliens and the labor contractors who supply them, because it's the illegal aliens who are the real criminals.

I guess you don't support our President Trump?

 

[BCP1928]

I guess you don't support our President Trump?

I actually feel sorry for the guy, being as he is backed by people with competing agendas. First, there are people who just don't want aliens to work here illegally and also think we have let in more asylum seekers and refugees than we can handle. Then, there are people who don't want illegal aliens working here because they, and especially minors, are being exploited. Then there are those who exploit illegal aliens who know they need a show of deportation made, prioritizing asylum seekers and refugees who they are unable to exploit. Honorable mention goes to those who think that an illegal alien just by being here has committed a crime against the sovereignty of the United States so terrible that anything else he might do pales by comparison. It's all very confusing for Trump, I'm sure.

 

[Careyap87]

I actually feel sorry for the guy, being as he is backed by people with competing agendas. First, there are people who just don't want aliens to work here illegally and also think we have let in more asylum seekers and refugees than we can handle. Then, there are people who don't want illegal aliens working here because they, and expecially minors, are being exploited. Then there are those who exploit illegal aliens who know they need a show of deportation made, prioritizing asylum seekers and refugees who they are unable to exploit. Honorable mention goes to those who think that an illegal alien has committed a crime against the sovereignty of the United States so terrible that anything else he might do pales by comparison. It's all very confusing for Trump, I'm sure.

Still a lot better than Joe Biden.

 

[BCP1928]

Still a lot better than Joe Biden.

Biden was stuck with the same neoliberal agenda as Trump to let the exploitation continue, but Biden made a mistake letting in too many asylum seekers and refugees, It attracted too much attention and brought too much heat on the employers and labor contractors, who were expecting no more than an occasional slap on the wrist. It's causing dissention within the ranks, as well. Homan is a good example. He's beginning to make noises indicating that he thinks trafficking and exploiting minors is a worse crime that the minors themselves commit just by being here. He may not be in the Trump adminstrtion much longer.

 

[Careyap87]

Biden was stuck with the same neoliberal agenda as Trump to let the exploitation continue, but Biden made a mistake letting in too many asylum seekers and refugees, It attracted too much attention and brought too much heat on the employers and labor contractors,

He is not doing that stop watching Faux News.

 

[BCP1928]

He is not doing that stop watching Faux News.

Here's another one. All you have to do is close your eyes, repeat that to yourself and click your heels together three times...you too can be back where everything is black and white.

 

[Careyap87]

Here's another one. All you have to do is close your eyes, repeat that to yourself and click your heels together three times...you too can be back where everything is black and white.

Where are you getting all your lies from? Faux News?

 

[ViaCrucis]

Did you not read the first bullet point? Did you read any of it at all?

• An original or certified copy of a Birth Certificate issued by a State Bureau of Vital Statistics or equivalent Agency from a U.S. State, U.S. Territory, the District of Columbia or an unexpired U.S. Passport Book or Card

So are you admitting that everyone born on US soil is a automatically a citizen? That would put you at odds with what this administration has been saying.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Careyap87]

So are you admitting that everyone born on US soil is a automatically a citizen? That would put you at odds with what this administration has been saying.

-CryptoLutheran

Everyone who was born in US are automatically American Citizen.