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Made in the image of God

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OK. I need help. I have spent years thinking this was a fairly uncontroversial idea- that we are all (humans that is) made in the image of God. Here's a song we sing with the kids:

We can think things through
We can work things out
We can love one another
We can sing and shout
We know what's right
And we know what's wrong
Cos we're made in the image of God

Now I discover there is an alternate view- that we are only made in the image of God once we are saved/become a Christian. That 'sinful man' is not made in the image of God, and that to think 'sinful man' is made in the image of God means that I am saying God is sinful.

This is a totally new idea to me. Can anyone explain what it is all about, and if/why I should give it any houseroom? Or am I missing something? After all, I am well-known for being a bear of very little brain...
 
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OK. I need help. I have spent years thinking this was a fairly uncontroversial idea- that we are all (humans that is) made in the image of God. Here's a song we sing with the kids:

We can think things through
We can work things out
We can love one another
We can sing and shout
We know what's right
And we know what's wrong
Cos we're made in the image of God

Now I discover there is an alternate view- that we are only made in the image of God once we are saved/become a Christian. That 'sinful man' is not made in the image of God, and that to think 'sinful man' is made in the image of God means that I am saying God is sinful.

This is a totally new idea to me. Can anyone explain what it is all about, and if/why I should give it any houseroom? Or am I missing something? After all, I am well-known for being a bear of very little brain...

Gen. 1:26-27 seems pretty unambiguous to me, especially when you consider that Adam and Eve were most certainly not Christians (something about Christianity not yet existing would seem to preclude that possibility, wouldn't it?).
 
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I seem to recall a distinction between being made in the image of God and something else -- in the blank of God (I just can't remember). Whatever it was, we are all, sinner or not, made in the image of God. Then, when we become Christians we become something else.

Either way, it raises the question of what it means to be in the image of God anyway. If it were up to me, I'd define it this way: being sapient. I'd be tempted to qualify it with "and being concerned with Godly virtures such as Love, Justice, and Mercy." However, I'm not particularly inclined to pass judgement on those who by virtue of genetics have miss-firing synapses and don't operate by human norms.

My primary concerns with saying we aren't made in the image of God until we are saved are as follows: 1) It seems just another way to value those who are in and devalue those who are out; and 2) It seems an unnecessary extrapolation from scripture -- that is, it can be done but I can't discern value in doing so.

HTH
 
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I've never heard of that alternate view. And honestly, I would just revert back to your song. Isn't our ability to think and reason what puts us in His image?
Guess I'll have to think and reason on that one! :scratch:
I think its our ability to love.
 
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OK. I need help. I have spent years thinking this was a fairly uncontroversial idea- that we are all (humans that is) made in the image of God. Here's a song we sing with the kids:

We can think things through
We can work things out
We can love one another
We can sing and shout
We know what's right
And we know what's wrong
Cos we're made in the image of God

Now I discover there is an alternate view- that we are only made in the image of God once we are saved/become a Christian. That 'sinful man' is not made in the image of God, and that to think 'sinful man' is made in the image of God means that I am saying God is sinful.

This is a totally new idea to me. Can anyone explain what it is all about, and if/why I should give it any houseroom? Or am I missing something? After all, I am well-known for being a bear of very little brain...

One encounters this unfortunate error frequently in the course of origins discussions and also discussions of Christian hospitality and social justice.

I view it as a form of modern Gnosticism, in that those who hold it usually also hold that Creation itself is somehow corrupted and sinful, that the material universe is somehow 'bad' and associated with Satan.

I think that teachings are clear on this: God ordered Creation and sustains that order. We are the stewards of creation, all of us - all of humanity, have imprinted on us the image of God/the light of God/the natural law of God. There are those of us who for whatever reason respond to that presence in a particular way, and we enter into a grace based faith and through that faith we may move from being stewards to re-achieving our true intended profession of co-creators.

Where the error you reference originated I don't know. But it's an irritant because it leads people into believing, among other things, that there's no justification for Christians to be engaged with non-Christians in terms of hospitality or justice, that non-Christians are objects of evagelism only until they profess faith.
 
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OK. I need help. I have spent years thinking this was a fairly uncontroversial idea- that we are all (humans that is) made in the image of God. Here's a song we sing with the kids:

We can think things through
We can work things out
We can love one another
We can sing and shout
We know what's right
And we know what's wrong
Cos we're made in the image of God

Now I discover there is an alternate view- that we are only made in the image of God once we are saved/become a Christian. That 'sinful man' is not made in the image of God, and that to think 'sinful man' is made in the image of God means that I am saying God is sinful.

This is a totally new idea to me. Can anyone explain what it is all about, and if/why I should give it any house room? Or am I missing something? After all, I am well-known for being a bear of very little brain...
Sounds totally blasphemous to me, but I've not heard of that stance before. I'd want to hear it out first from someone who believed it, before completely dismissing it. However, it strikes me as a bit insulting to God to suggest that something made in his own image can become completely depraved and worthless overnight.
 
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OK... lemme see what my computer bible and commentaries can dig up for you...

And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.
Gen 9:2 And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered.
Gen 9:3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.
Gen 9:4 But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.
Gen 9:5 And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man.
Gen 9:6 Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.
NOTE: This was stated after the Fall... well after.

Nelson's Study Bible comments on Gen 1:26 -
1:26 Let Us Make is emphatic. It emphasizes the majesty of the speaker. Furthermore, the use of a plural for God allows for the later revelation of the Trinity (see 11:7; Matt. 28:19). The us cannot refer to the angels that are present with God because man is made in the image of God alone, not also that of the angels. in Our image: What is the image of God in man? The traditional view is that God’s image is certain moral, ethical, and intellectual abilities. A more recent view, based on Hebrew grammar and the knowledge of the ancient Near East, interprets the phrase as meaning “Let us make man as our image” (the Hebrew preposition in this phrase can be translated as). In ancient times an emperor might command statues of himself to be placed in remote parts of his empire. These symbols would declare that these areas were under his power and reign. So God placed humankind as living symbols of Himself on earth to represent His reign. This interpretation fits well with the command that follows—to reign over all that God has made. according to Our likeness: This phrase draws attention to the preceding figure of speech. Since God is Spirit (John 4:24), there can be no “image” or “likeness” of Him in the normal sense of these words. Indeed, image-making was later strongly prohibited because of the clear ties that has with idolatry (see Ex. 20:4–6). We may not make images of God for He has already done so! We are His images; it is we who are in His likeness. This is the reason God values people so much: we are made to reflect His majesty on earth. have dominion: Rule as God’s regent. That is, people are to rule as God would—wisely and prudently—over all that God has made (fish, birds, cattle, and so on).​
Radmacher, E. D., Allen, R. B., & House, H. W. (1997). The Nelson study Bible : New King James Version. Includes index. (Ge 1:26). Nashville: T. Nelson Publishers.
Paul refers to Jesus as the 'image of God' -
his dear Son:
Col 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
It seems fairly clear to me that yes, we are all images of God... some more corrupted than others, and that Jesus is the only CLEAR image of God... we are made like him when we're 'washed in his blood'.

Here's another interesting one:
2. Dishonoring another person. Some people who would never curse God somehow think it’s all right to curse another human being. Again, James 3:9–10 strongly warns us against that practice, for every person is created in the image of God. Therefore, to dishonor another human being is to dishonor the Creator—a sin amounting to blasphemy.http://foru.ms/#_ftn1 http://foru.ms/#_ftnref1Thomas Nelson Publishers. (2001). What does the Bible say about-- : The ultimate A to Z resource fully illustrated. Nelson's A to Z series (37). Nashville, Tenn.: Thomas Nelson.
"John Wesley's Explanatory notes" read:
Gen 1:26-28 - We have here the second part of the sixth day's work, the creation of man, which we are in a special manner concerned to take notice of. Observe, That man was made last of all the creatures, which was both an honour and a favour to him: an honour, for the creation was to advance from that which was less perfect, to that which was more so and a favour, for it was not fit he should be lodged in the palace designed for him, till it was completely fitted and furnished for his reception. Man, as soon as he was made, had the whole visible creation before him, both to contemplate, and to take the comfort of. That man's creation was a mere signal act of divine wisdom and power, than that of the other creatures. The narrative of it is introduced with solemnity, and a manifest distinction from the rest. Hitherto it had been said, Let there be light, and Let there be a firmament: but now the word of command is turned into a word of consultation, Let us make man - For whose sake the rest of the creatures were made. Man was to be a creature different from all that had been hitherto made. Flesh and spirit, heaven and earth must be put together in him, and he must be allied to both worlds. And therefore God himself not only undertakes to make, but is pleased so to express himself, as if he called a council to consider of the making of him; Let us make man - The three persons of the Trinity, Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, consult about it, and concur in it; because man, when he was made, was to be dedicated and devoted to Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. That man was made in God's image, and after his likeness; two words to express the same thing. God's image upon man, consists,

In his nature, not that of his body, for God has not a body, but that of his soul. The soul is a spirit, an intelligent, immortal spirit, an active spirit, herein resembling God, the Father of spirits, and the soul of the world. In his place and authority. Let us make man in our image, and let him have dominion. As he has the government of the inferior creatures, he is as it were God's representative on earth. Yet his government of himself by the freedom of his will, has in it more of God's image, than his government of the creatures. And chiefly in his purity and rectitude. God's image upon man consists in knowledge, righteousness, and true holiness, Eph_4:24; Col_3:10. He was upright, Ecc_7:29. He had an habitual conformity of all his natural powers to the whole will of God. His understanding saw divine things clearly, and there were no errors in his knowledge: his will complied readily and universally with the will of God; without reluctancy: his affections were all regular, and he had no inordinate appetites or passions: his thoughts were easily fixed to the best subjects, and there was no vanity or ungovernableness in them. And all the inferior powers were subject to the dictates of the superior. Thus holy, thus happy, were our first parents, in having the image of God upon them. But how art thou fallen, O son of the morning? How is this image of God upon man defaced! How small are the remains of it, and how great the ruins of it! The Lord renew it upon our souls by his sanctifying grace! That man was made male and female, and blessed with fruitfulness. He created him male and female, Adam and Eve: Adam first out of earth, and Eve out of his side. God made but one male and one female, that all the nations of men might know themselves to be made of one blood, descendants, from one common stock, and might thereby be induced to love one another. God having made them capable of transmitting the nature they had received, said to them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth - Here he gave them,

A large inheritance; replenish the earth, in which God has set man to be the servant of his providence, in the government of the inferior creatures, and as it were the intelligence of this orb; to be likewise the collector of his praises in this lower world, and lastly, to be a probationer for a better state. A numerous lasting family to enjoy this inheritance; pronouncing a blessing upon them, in the virtue of which, their posterity should extend to the utmost corners of the earth, and continue to the utmost period of time.

That God gave to man a dominion over the inferior creatures, over fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air - Though man provides for neither, he has power over both, much more over every living thing that moveth upon the earth - God designed hereby to put an honour upon man, that he might find himself the more strongly obliged to bring honour to his Maker.

That enough to keep you going for a while? :D
 
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