Allandavid
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Glad you got the point so soon.
That chapter alone has 176 verses, and I would quote every one of them if I have to.
Every verse is about the word of God.
Hi allandavid,
Well, as I say, we have a different world view and different understanding of 'who' the author of the Scriptures is. It's ok, and I certainly have no delusions that my efforts here will change the set heart, but it is something that you need to understand about born again believers. They don't use the same source of truth as you do and they do have access to the Holy Spirit for discernment of truth. Now, I fully understand that you're not going to accept that so I just put it out there as the truth of one who is born again. Unless you are, you won't understand or agree.
God bless you,
In Christ, ted
I believe those who are best qualified to make that determination. I understand and expect that they would apply those same historical critical analyses to all ancient texts, and not show partiality solely because it's in the bible. I think it's important that you understand why it's considered pseudonymous.Hi HS,
That's going to depend on who you believe.
God bless you,
In Christ, ted
So you wouldn't know it if God did write it down, would you?All human trail I'm afraid...
So you wouldn't know it if God did write it down, would you?
It's not about a "set heart". It's about a critically thinking brain. You wouldn't buy a bridge from another human, without a ton of research and evidence being provided to you. What we are being asked to 'buy' here is something far more unbelievable than a bridge sale!
I believe those who are best qualified to make that determination. I understand and expect that they would apply those same historical critical analyses to all ancient texts, and not show partiality solely because it's in the bible. I think it's important that you understand why it's considered pseudonymous.
It could be worse. Instead of losing their faith they could become Methodists, Presbyterians, Anglicans, or even (God forbid!) Roman Catholics--and many do. If they just became atheists you might be able to lead them back to the true path, but once those evil apostates get their hands on them they'll never be back.Hi allandavid,
However, the truth is that many 'christians' lose their faith when they go off to college.
Hi allandavid,
Yes, I agree that man thinks that to be the truth. It's all about what we can figure out. The 'critically thinking brain' as you say.
Faith in God is more simple than that.
However, the truth is that many 'christians' lose their faith when they go off to college. They are challenged by this 'critically thinking brain' approach and, unfortunately, that isn't what faith is about.
God has given us evidence
Science is myopic.And nor would I know if Beeblebrox had written it.
Friend, look, there are a lot of people who deny that the Scriptures are what they claim to be. I get that. For me, after having read through them a few times, and always seeking, through prayer, the guidance and wisdom and discernment that only comes through the Holy Spirit, I have been thoroughly convinced that they are exactly what they claim of themselves to be and that the words contained within are the truth of the 'why', 'how' and 'when' of my existence.'
Science is myopic.
And yet, a Muslim, a Hindu, a Sikh, a Buddhist, a Mormon, a Scientologist will all make the same assertion about each of their holy books.
Can they all be right? Or are we programmed to find what we want to find sometimes?
Why do you think it is that people lose such beliefs when they increase their education?
I understand, it all makes sense because you want it too.Hi HS,
Oh, I've read some of the evidence. Needless to say I don't agree. I've read the book of Daniel and it's a first person narrative and comes across to me as written by the man himself. Perhaps, if you haven't read it, you might take 30 minutes and read it. See what you think from the narrative itself, rather than from what others have told you.
Friend, look, there are a lot of people who deny that the Scriptures are what they claim to be. I get that. For me, after having read through them a few times, and always seeking, through prayer, the guidance and wisdom and discernment that only comes through the Holy Spirit, I have been thoroughly convinced that they are exactly what they claim of themselves to be and that the words contained within are the truth of the 'why', 'how' and 'when' of my existence.'
The story that is told over those 1500 years or so of writing by some 40 different writers is cohesive and complete. God created and God will bring to a close this realm in which we now live. There will come a day when every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is Lord.
God bless you,
In Christ, ted
Only about half of it. And it was originally written in two different languages.Hi HS,
Oh, I've read some of the evidence. Needless to say I don't agree. I've read the book of Daniel and it's a first person narrative and comes across to me as written by the man himself.
Which is exactly what you do in every other part of your life.Because that's where they are taught to only believe that which they can physically prove.
Then why on earth would you even think about believing it? do you also believe in all the other Gods?God cannot be physically proven.
And we all know what faith is don't we?It is a matter of faith.
Hi TM,
Let me be clear on my understanding of science. For science to be able to 'prove' that it has found the answer to an event or cause, it must be able to reproduce said event or cause.
In the here and now, investigating a fire and using DNA for its evidentiary value, I have no problem with science.
I don't deny all science
What I deny is science that is extrapolative in its nature.
It may or may not be giving us the right answers. We don't know.
As I've always said, when science can bring to me a woman giving birth to a baby who has never had human sperm introduced into one of her eggs, I'll give it more consideration
There is no reason to assume that sexual reproduction worked somehow differently in the past.And, since we're dealing with a time some 2,000 years ago, however they present this woman, she would have had to have been made pregnant through some method that would have been available to men 2,000 years ago.
But, I fully and completely understand the lack of agreement between us. We each have and operate under a different world view.
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