Madagascar and Australia, a question for creationists.

[The Stamp]

Hi stamp,

Like I finished off in that response of mine. I operate on a completely different world view than others.

Why do I believe that the Scriptures are of God and not men? Because of what they tell me and because of 'how' they came to be. There is no other writing in all of the world that covers the span of time that it took for the Scriptures to be completed by so many different authors and yet, the focus of all that writing be about the same thing. From Moses in the desert until John wrote the Revelation, we're talking about roughly 1500 years. Throughout that 1500 years there were many and varied writers who wrote down what they claim to be God speaking to them and every one of their writings has a cohesiveness and sameness in how and what they write. That would be similar to someone taking one of JK Rowling's Harry Potter books and in 100 years someone writing another Harry Potter book and then a couple of hundred years after that someone writing another and another and another and so forth over the next 1500 years. All writing about the same subject, Harry Potter.

Then we have the prophecies of the Scriptures. Daniel wrote of a prophecy that foretold an event happening in the future. He wrote that the main event was that near the end of the timeline that he had delineated in his prophecy, the Messiah would be here. He speaks about there being 70 weeks in all, but he divides the 70 weeks into 3 steps. The end of the second step (69 weeks) he tells us that Messiah would be here. But, what's particularly amazing about Daniel's prophecy is that he says the clock would start ticking when there was a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem established.

Now, let me clarify the scene here a bit. At the time that Daniel was given this prophecy that he wrote of, he was in captivity in Babylon. There really wasn't anything going on at the time that would even portend that Jerusalem would ever be rebuilt. The decree spoken of in the prophecy didn't come along for almost another 100 years. How did Daniel know that there would ever even be such a decree? How would he have known that from such a decree, even if he were to just guess that one day one would be issued, that we would be able to measure the time until the Messiah came from it's issuance?

God bless you,
In Christ, ted

Am I right in thinking that the O/T is in fact the Jewish Torah?

 

[Armoured]

Hi armoured,

You responded:


So, you still don't know for sure that a plant uses sunlight to photosynthesize sugars to provide nutrients to make the plant grown. No one has really ever shown, on a cellular level, this process of plants converting the energy of sunlight to food. It's just the scientific 'best guess' that we can make right now.

God bless you,
In Christ, ted

all the evidence we have supports the theory that plants photosynthesise.. it's not a guess by any means. However, it isn't "proven". Theoretically, someone could discover new evidence that disproves photosynthesis tomorrow. However, and this is key, in light of all the evidence FOR photosynthesis we have, it's very, very UNLIKELY.

Same with evolution. Could be disproved tomorrow. Very,very unlikely to be.

 

[AV1611VET]

Same with evolution. Could be disproved tomorrow.

Nope. Not gonna happen until Jesus comes back.

 

[Armoured]

Hi armoured,

You responded:


So, you still don't know for sure that a plant uses sunlight to photosynthesize sugars to provide nutrients to make the plant grown. No one has really ever shown, on a cellular level, this process of plants converting the energy of sunlight to food. It's just the scientific 'best guess' that we can make right now.

God bless you,
In Christ, ted

Interesting you trust science to get photosynthesis right but not evolution.

 

[Allandavid]

Psalm 119:1 Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the LORD.

More man-writing...

 

[Allandavid]

Hi allandavid,

I can see your point. However, for the believer, there is a different understanding of 'who' the author of the Scriptures is. Yes, men penned the words to parchment and scroll, but the thoughts and ideas that were penned came through the leading of the Holy Spirit. Buit, that's only going to be believed by those who agree that when Jesus said 'Thy word is truth', that he was speaking of the ancient writings handed down to that point in time when he made that statement. It's only going to be believed by those who believe that when Paul wrote that men wrote as they were led by the Holy Spirit, that Paul was even then being led by that same Holy Spirit.

For the world, the writings of the Scriptures, or what most refer today as the 'bible', are merely the writings of men. Not really any different than the Greek and Roman mythologies of God. Not particularly different than the Quaran or the Vedras or any other 'religious' writings. The understanding of the Scriptures as the words given to men through the Holy Spirit of God, comes only by faith.

God bless you,
In Christ, ted

And that's an opinion devised by...?

 

[AV1611VET]

More man-writing...

Psalm 119:2 Blessed are they that keep his testimonies, and that seek him with the whole heart.

 

[miamited]

Some "best guesses" are better than others, and that one rests on a firm empirical foundation. Why? Have you found something in Scripture that shows photosynthesis to be a lie of the satanic conspiracy of science to deny the Bible?

Hi speedwell,

Nope. You apparently missed my point. But, you are absolutely correct that photosynthesis is based on firm empirical evidence.'

God bless you,
In Christ, ted

 

[miamited]

And that's an opinion devised by...?

Hi allandavid,

Study of the Scriptures and the seeking of the Holy Spirit for wisdom. The unbeliever can't understand the first and doesn't have access to the second.

God bless you,
In Christ, ted

 

[Allandavid]

Psalm 119:2 Blessed are they that keep his testimonies, and that seek him with the whole heart.

I guess you could quote the entire human-written document, if you were so motivated...

 

[miamited]

Isn't the book of Daniel pseudonymous?

Hi HS,

That's going to depend on who you believe.

God bless you,
In Christ, ted

 

[Allandavid]

Hi allandavid,

Study of the Scriptures and the seeking of the Holy Spirit for wisdom. The unbeliever can't understand the first and doesn't have access to the second.

God bless you,
In Christ, ted

According to the opinion of a mere human...

The moment you can point me towards a document actually written by a god, as opposed to one written by men claiming to speak for one, I'll be all eyes and ears...

 

[AV1611VET]

I guess you could quote the entire human-written document, if you were so motivated...

Glad you got the point so soon.

That chapter alone has 176 verses, and I would quote every one of them if I have to.

Every verse is about the word of God.

 

[AV1611VET]

The moment you can point me towards a document actually written by a god, as opposed to one written by men claiming to speak for one, I'll be all eyes and ears...

You mean like the Ten Commandments that people like to have removed from public view?

Deuteronomy 9:10a And the LORD delivered unto me two tables of stone written with the finger of God;

 

[miamited]

Am I right in thinking that the O/T is in fact the Jewish Torah?

Hi stamp,

Technically, and I'm not Jewish so don't trust me on this, I think the torah refers to only the first five books of the old covenant. What we call the books of the law. The entirety of the old covenant is referred to in Judaism as the TaNaKh. But, check that with someone more familiar with Jewish references and customs.

God bless you,
In Christ, ted

 

[miamited]

According to the opinion of a mere human...

The moment you can point me towards a document actually written by a god, as opposed to one written by men claiming to speak for one, I'll be all eyes and ears...

Hi allandavid,

Well, as I say, we have a different world view and different understanding of 'who' the author of the Scriptures is. It's ok, and I certainly have no delusions that my efforts here will change the set heart, but it is something that you need to understand about born again believers. They don't use the same source of truth as you do and they do have access to the Holy Spirit for discernment of truth. Now, I fully understand that you're not going to accept that so I just put it out there as the truth of one who is born again. Unless you are, you won't understand or agree.

God bless you,
In Christ, ted

 

[Archie the Preacher]

Silly tactics, asking for someone to support their claim.

Let me ask you this: Does belief in your convictions qualify as a justification of your assertions?

I see you edited out the rest of the statement. You qualify as the mental and emotional equal to a YEC supporter.

 

[miamited]

Interesting you trust science to get photosynthesis right but not evolution.

Hi armoured,

That's right. You see, photosynthesis they can replicate and show step by step how it happens. It happens every day so there's no need to 'guess' whether or no it does or doesn't happen in the way that science tells us that it does. Evolution, on the other hand, has never been replicated and does not happen everyday and is based on a lot of best guesses of what the evidence that we do have on hand 'could' mean. God's word says that He made each creature and that they would reproduce after their own kind.

As I think I was clear to say, I trust science in a lot of things. However, I don't trust science in all things.

God bless you,
In Christ, ted

 

[Allandavid]

You mean like the Ten Commandments that people like to have removed from public view?

Deuteronomy 9:10a And the LORD delivered unto me two tables of stone written with the finger of God;

No, those were written down by men, claiming that they had been delivered by Moses, who claimed they had been given to him by a god.

All human trail I'm afraid...

 

[miamited]

I see you edited out the rest of the statement. You qualify as the mental and emotional equal to a YEC supporter.

Hey archie,

Did someone spit in your Cheerios this morning? You seem to have denigrated and stooped yourself to a lot of name calling. I've conversed with you before and I can take it, but I don't think, out here in the worldly bunch that this thread is in, you're showing a particularly Christ-like nature. Surely you're mature enough to carry on discussions without stooping to denigrating others and their mental and emotional state. You seem to forget that these people are lost. They are just like you once were, according to the Scriptures. I know there was a certainly a time in my life that I believed most of the things being talked about in this thread by them.

God bless you,
In Christ, ted