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GoSeminoles! said:This has already been done but you won't touch it because
YOU
ARE
A
LIAR.
Jesus weeps when you lie for him.
Ed Vidence said:Purely, subjective and predictible.
But I have an objective basis and source to identify you as the liar:
Romans 1:25
Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
The context is the wrath of God of the 18th verse who deny the obviousness of intelligent design declared in the 20th verse.
It is Darwinists who change the truth of God (Creator) into the LIE of creature being origin (macroevolution) instead of God.
REMEMBER: YOU INITIATED THE "LIAR" CHARGE.
Ed Vidence
AnEmpiricalAgnostic said:I dont know how people like you do it Ed. I mean really. I cant even begin to imagine how I could take an unsubstantiated belief and defend it by railing against anything that doesnt fit with my baseless assertions while demanding evidence with one breath and denying to even look at the very evidence I demand with the next. This is truly amazing.
Good substantiated points. Excuse me Ed, but it appears your pants are indeed on fire.GoSeminoles! said:You are the liar. You falsely posed as someone asking a question in good faith. You have lied a second time by selecting an atheist icon even though you have just proven you are not.
Read this carefully, as I address the specifics of your OP-Ed Vidence said:You are evading the specifics of the OP.
1) Darwin admitted the geological record showed no evidence of his theory.
2) Milton (atheist) confirms this is still a fact today.
GoSeminoles! said:You are the liar. You falsely posed as someone asking a question in good faith. You have lied a second time by selecting an atheist icon even though you have just proven you are not.
Some people seem to be able to comprehend that the Theory of Evolution is a scientific theory AND a fact.BEATON1 said:People seem to forget tah evolution is a theory and not a fact.
It can, but will never be disproved.BEATON1 said:It can, has and will continue to be disproven.
Also, almost all theists believe what they believe through baseless inculcation not by evaluating empirical evidence like science.BEATON1 said:Also, Christians believe what they believe through experience not shady scientific practices.
BEATON1 said:here is a nice read from clarifyingchristianity is the name of the site it is .com after clarifyingchristianity their sources are listed on the site. Some of them were links that I could not post because I'm a newbie
So science isnt so bad now that you think you have found some science that may help justify your unsubstantiated beliefs? Where is the reference to back this assertion up? Where can I find the peer reviewed papers on this finding?BEATON1 said:
Scientists discovered modern men in Pliocene deposits.
Modern human skulls and bones have been discovered in Pliocene layers. These findings include those at Calaveras (1866), Castenedolo (1860, 1880), and Ipswich (1912). Finding modern human remains in layers that are believed to be 7-12 million years old casts serious doubt on the theory of evolution regarding humans (or scientific dating methods), since that is the time Ramapithecus (a supposed ape-man) was proposed to exist. If both Ramapithecus and modern man lived at the same time, we would know that people did not evolve from this ancestor (or any of the later ones). That is, for modern man to evolve from Ramapithecus, Ramapithecus would have had to exist before modern man. The evidence does not support this idea.
To explain these threatening discoveries, scientists offered many explanations regarding how all these fossils ended up in a Pliocene layer. The most popular explanation is that these remains were the result of burials, which just happened to end up in a Pliocene layer. There is, however, a real problem with this claim: no scientist wishes to announce a discovery and later have someone make them into a fool by revealing that they only dug up a grave (or was the naive dupe of a hoaxer). As a result, these men documented the geologic terrain to make sure that the remains they found were not the result of an intrusive burial before reporting the findings.
BEATON1 said:A Final Comment
I await evidence. Pony up.BEATON1 said:
Since this writer spent many years in scientific research, I know how painful it is to propose a theory and then discover evidence disproving the theory. Still, the professional thing to do is admit that the proposed theory was wrong and look for a new hypothesis. In this way, you eventually discover the truth. Open-minded scientists will always follow such a procedure. The reader may find it interesting to learn that it was our original intention to explain how God used evolutionary processes to accomplish the creation described in the Bible. We later learned that the evidence does not support the theory of evolution, but supports a literal creation by God in six days. This required a change in our theory, but we were more interested in presenting the truth than in promoting a favorite theory. Unfortunately, it seems that many people are so committed to the theory of evolution that they can not admit that their theory is failing on every front. Therefore, they explain away or ignore the evidence that they do not like and highlight evidence that supports their viewpoint. Selectively choosing the evidence you like and disregarding the evidence you dislike is not the way to discover the truth. For anyone who read this entire page (and who does not have a chip on their shoulder), one conclusion should be clear: the evidence strongly favors the Bible's creation account, and does not support the theory of evolution.
BEATON1 said:
Modern human skulls and bones have been discovered in Pliocene layers. These findings include those at Calaveras (1866), Castenedolo (1860, 1880), and Ipswich (1912). Finding modern human remains in layers that are believed to be 7-12 million years old casts serious doubt on the theory of evolution regarding humans (or scientific dating methods), since that is the time Ramapithecus (a supposed ape-man) was proposed to exist. If both Ramapithecus and modern man lived at the same time, we would know that people did not evolve from this ancestor (or any of the later ones). That is, for modern man to evolve from Ramapithecus, Ramapithecus would have had to exist before modern man. The evidence does not support this idea.
Calaveras hoaxBEATON1 said:
Modern human skulls and bones have been discovered in Pliocene layers. These findings include those at Calaveras (1866), Castenedolo (1860, 1880), and Ipswich (1912).
Yes they do.BEATON1 said:#1.the site has references to their sources
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notto said:http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/dont_use.asp
(agument not to use)The Castenedolo and Calaveras human remains in old strata invalidate the geologic column.
These are not sound examplesthe Castenedolo skeletal material shows evidence of being an intrusive burial, i.e. a recent burial into older strata, since all the fossils apart from the human ones had time to be impregnated with salt. The Calaveras skull was probably a hoax planted into a mine by miners.
Calaveras Man
Im relatively new here and Im already learning how to identify a PRATT when I see it.: this was a modern skull discovered in 1866 in California in Pliocene eposits (2 to 5 million years old). A few scientists did believe it genuine, but it was always widely considered to be a hoax. Personal testimonies and geological evidence indicate that it is probably a modern Indian found in nearby limestone caves, and that it was planted as a practical joke by miners. Tests have shown it to be recent, probably less than 1000 years old. (Dexter 1986; Taylor et al. 1992; Conrad 1982) (http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/a_anomaly.html )
BEATON1 said:If you go to the site you will see more evidence, an extremely long page of evidence against macroevolution. They actually support microevolution since that is easily proven.
Ed Vidence said:Okay - the definition is not in dispute, what is in dispute is if the speciation/macroevolution happens.
There is no physical evidence in the fossil strata supporting the giant assumption of speciation which you are making and trying to downplay, and attempting to conceal within the undisputed facts of microevolution.
The Milton quote plainly says what is established fact: speciation is not observable nor can it be made the object of experiment.
BEATON1 said:Since this writer spent many years in scientific research, I know how painful it is to propose a theory and then discover evidence disproving the theory.
The reader may find it interesting to learn that it was our original intention to explain how God used evolutionary processes to accomplish the creation described in the Bible. We later learned that the evidence does not support the theory of evolution, but supports a literal creation by God in six days.
For anyone who read this entire page (and who does not have a chip on their shoulder), one conclusion should be clear: the evidence strongly favors the Bible's creation account, and does not support the theory of evolution
If you go to the site you will see more evidence, an extremely long page of evidence against macroevolution. They actually support microevolution since that is easily proven.
Loudmouth said:What "utter lack"? Even Darwin listed an obvious transition in the fossil record.
What Darwin was talking about is the selective nature of the fossil record
which isn't too unexpected given the rare occurence of fossilization.
Let's see what Darwin actually said:
"For my part, following out Lyell's metaphor, I look at the natural geological record, as a history of the world imperfectly kept, and written in a changing dialect; of this history we possess the last volume alone, relating only to two or three countries. Of this volume, only here and there a short chapter has been preserved; and of each page, only here and there a few lines. Each word of the slowly-changing language, in which the history is supposed to be written, being more or less different in the interrupted succession of chapters, may represent the apparently abruptly changed forms of life, entombed in our consecutive, but widely separated formations. On this view, the difficulties above discussed are greatly diminished, or even disappear."
What Darwin is saying is that fossil preservation is rare and will not always capture each small change, or as Darwin put it "more or less different in the interrupted succession of chapters".
Other important quotes (from Chapter 9:On the Imperfection of the Geological Record). You can read Chapter 9 here:
"Also, only a scant percentage of fossil bearing sediments have been searched. Can we really say that these fossils are absent if we have only looked at 0.00000001% of the earth?
GoSeminoles! said:But has any of this evidence been published in peer-reviewed scientific journals? If not, then it doesn't count.
Ed Vidence said:You mean Darwinian journals.
How could Darwinian sources promote evidence which contradicts and disproves their theory ?
Darwinian peer reviewed scientific journals: A process to make sure what another Darwinist has already spoken for is not contradicted, and any evidence against the theory is not given a microphone.
Ed Vidence
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