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Kind of a interesting thing to consider really. What is life?
That question is moot, actually; because the kind of life I'm talking about is a very high form of life: a race of angels.

Coming into existence ex nihilo, with the ability to do everything we can, and more.
 
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What do such details have to do with abiogenesis?
Quite a lot considering you are claiming they exist because of abiogenesis. edit: or ex nihilo, which doesn't even make sense.

Anyway, you claimed there is a race of angels and then refuse to elaborate!

I wonder why you give people the impression that you talk bilge. Baffling, isn't it?
 
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Quite a lot considering you are claiming they exist because of abiogenesis.
I do?

I thought I'm the one who claims there's no such a thing as abiogenesis?
edit: or ex nihilo, which doesn't even make sense.
Ex nihilo doesn't make sense?

Even a child can understand creatio ex nihilo.
Anyway, you claimed there is a race of angels and then refuse to elaborate!
Angelology 101 is down the hall --- I'm pwning abiogenesis.
I wonder why you give people the impression that you talk bilge. Baffling, isn't it?
Not at all.

Given the fact that your first sentence was just the opposite of what I say.

(But, of course, like everyone else who misquotes me, I'm still automatically wrong, no matter what I say --- right?)
 
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I thought I'm the one who claims there's no such a thing as abiogenesis?
I apologise for misquoting you.

It took me a minute to work out exactly what you were claiming, but knowing it involved a race of angels I wasn't too worried about it.


Even a child can understand creatio ex nihilo.
This is the trouble. A child can understand the concept of a race of angels being created out of nothing; a child would probably embrace the idea of a race of angels being created out of nothing. But, anyone over the age of 10 might have a few follow up questions.

Personally, my first reaction is that the idea doesn't make any sense. Then I try and ascertain if you actually believe this eccentric idea by asking you for more details about these angels, which you are curiously reluctant to divulge. I then wonder, as usual, if you're just saying things for the sake of it

(But, of course, like everyone else who misquotes me, I'm still automatically wrong, no matter what I say --- right?)
No. You just make truly eccentric assertions. You are claiming there is a race of angels made out of nothing. It seems sense to first establish that this race of angels actually exists. So where are they and what do they look like?
 
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No. You just make truly eccentric assertions.
No, I don't.

Angelology, the branch of theology having to do with angels, has been around a lot longer than I have.

I know what you're trying to do, Tomatoman; and it's not going to work.

Since angels show that life has indeed existed apart from abiogenesis, you want to challenge that life w/o even acknowledging what I'm saying first.

I can even take it a step further and say that God exists apart from abiogenesis, and I'm sure you'll challenge that too.

But I plan to stick to my assertion that life in this universe indeed exists apart from abiogenesis --- (not to mention existing apart from evolution as well).

If you want to man-up and say, "Yes, you're right. If angels exist, they would certainly prove that life exists apart from abiogenesis;" but I have a feeling your pride is going to get in the way, and you see what you think is a way out of having to admit I'm right by simply challenging the existence of angels.

But your zeal to bury my point with loquacious posts is backfiring and making yourself look bad by calling my theology "eccentric", when really it's one of the most basic theological teachings in history.
 
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I know what you're trying to do, Tomatoman; and it's not going to work
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I'm trying to get you to tell me where these angels are and what they look like, but you're right, it doesn't look like it's going to work. You have no intention of answering those questions, because if you do it will just sound silly.


If you want to man-up and say, "Yes, you're right. If angels exist, they would certainly prove that life exists apart from abiogenesis;" but I have a feeling your pride is going to get in the way, and you see what you think is a way out of having to admit I'm right by simply challenging the existence of angels.
If angels exist it would be front page news everywhere for weeks.

Sadly for you, they don't

But, in a spirit of open mindedness I'm willing to be shown evidence to the contrary. In fact that is what I keep asking you for. Show us how you know a race of angels exist. Please.

How are you going to change the topic this time?
 
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If you want to man-up and say, "Yes, you're right. If angels exist, they would certainly prove that life exists apart from abiogenesis;" but I have a feeling your pride is going to get in the way, and you see what you think is a way out of having to admit I'm right by simply challenging the existence of angels.

But your zeal to bury my point with loquacious posts is backfiring and making yourself look bad by calling my theology "eccentric", when really it's one of the most basic theological teachings in history.
Why so angry?

If you want to man-up and say, "Yes, you're right. If angels exist, I'd first have to show how they came into being;" but I have a feeling your pride is going to get in the way, and you see what you think is a way out of having to admit you're wrong by simply baselessly asserting the existence of angels.
 
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Coming into existence ex nihilo, with the ability to do everything we can, and more.

Think about that for a second... think really hard. Do you really mean that? I can think of many things we can do that simply mentioning them will get me banned. Do you really think angels do these things too?
 
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Think about that for a second... think really hard. Do you really mean that? I can think of many things we can do that simply mentioning them will get me banned. Do you really think angels do these things too?
Yes --- and they got banned as well:
Jude 6 said:
And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
 
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"First estate" is now officially some kind of euphemism.
Technically it's a star, but I don't think you will understand, so it's not worth going into.
 
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Yes --- and they got banned as well:
well the sex and rape.. I know about those. Race of giants and all. I am thinking of a more something that's even more of a biological necessity (for us anyway)
 
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Nobody can understand the things you make up until you explain these products of your imagination.
Made up, basic doctrine, literal interpretation; if it's past Genesis 1, does it matter?
 
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