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Lifesaver said:
Neither animals, let alone machines, can possibly have rights.
You mean to say that none of my pets have rights and that Chrisbot has no rights? :cry:

Some random person could just come along and harm my pets or destroy a part of Chrisbot's programming and not have violated the rights of anything.
 
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morningstar2651 said:
Humans have rights.
Animals have rights.

Should intelligent machines have rights too? Why or why not?

If yes, then what should be the criteria for determining whether or not an intelligent machine should or should not have rights? The Turing Test?

Currently there are no "intelligent machines" that I know of. If a machine existed such as say Data on TNG or #5 from short circut then yes, but the machine must be capable of independant intelligent thought.
 
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morningstar2651 said:
Should intelligent machines have rights too? Why or why not?

Intelligence has nothing to do with it.

To the best of my knowledge, there are no sentiant machines. If there were, they should have rights, even if they're incredibly stupid.

Charlie
 
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Soul Searcher said:
Currently there are no "intelligent machines" that I know of. If a machine existed such as say Data on TNG or #5 from short circut then yes, but the machine must be capable of independant intelligent thought.

How can we determine whether something is capable of independent intelligent thought or not?

It seems to me that many human beings are not capable of demonstrating independent intelligent thought ...
 
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Charlie V said:
Intelligence has nothing to do with it.

To the best of my knowledge, there are no sentiant machines. If there were, they should have rights, even if they're incredibly stupid.

Charlie

How do we determine if something is sentient or not?
 
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Kris_J said:
did machines or plants agree to disagree with people?

I do not understand the question. Are you able to provide me a set of criteria by which I can determine whether something is sentient or not?
 
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Demonstrate that your thinking/actions is in disagreement/independent from mine.

Oops. You just did.
;)

David Gould said:
Machines can be programmed to disagree with people. What does that prove, exactly?
How convenient of you to overlook my post. Disagree/independent.
 
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"Rights" are fictions, pious wishes, unexamined assumptions, or "ought-to-be's". The idea of "rights" has no basis in reality. It's just another specious reason justifying what we want to do.

You have a right to life until some government decides it's fine to drop a bomb on you. You have a right to liberty, but it may be annulled whenever the powers that be find it incovenient. You have a right to pursue happiness, as long as that happiness meets with official approval. In short, you have what ever "rights" the rich and powerful will concede to you.

:wave:
 
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A machine can be programmed to demonstrate thinking/actions in disagreement/independent from anyone else. Someone has to program it. Even if the program is a very general purpose type of program which includes general instructions on how to form conclusions based on observations, that is still a program. It would be difficult to predict exactly what type of personality would develop in this AI, exactly what conclusions it would arrive at on various moral issues, but it would still be possible in theory. If you know what sensory input goes into it, you can deduce exactly how this will shape the machine's personality, desires, opinions, reactions, interations, etc. On its most basic level it is still following the instructions of the programmer. Independence is just an illusion cast by the complexity of its decision making process in combination with the unpredictability of what it will encounter in the world. Even AIs that use random number algorithms in their decision making cannot be said to be truly autonomous. What they do is at the mercy of random variables and not directed by will. The same thing has been theorized about humans, that we are no more autonomous than a leaf being blown by the wind. We're not even sure if we have free will, so how can we use it as a criteria for deciding if a machine deserves the same rights as us?

That brings us back to the turing test. Can a machine demonstrate the appearance of free will? If so, does that mean it is self-aware, or is it no more conscious than a complex system of gears? Consciousness is an unprovable subjective experience. We could know absolutely everything there is to know about the human brain but still not be able to say why it is conscious.

I think, first of all, that we will give them some form of rights. Even if we don't officially revise the constitution or anything like that, we will still be emotionally effected enough by a convincing AI that we will find ourselves treating them like people. This has already happened. We might not give them the exact same rights as humans have. They will probably be different from us in a lot of fundamental ways, and some of the rights that we consider important might be utterly meaningless to them. But we will treat them the way they want to be treated. The Golden Rule will be the fundamental right that we unconsciously assign to any AI that can pass the turing test. I think that's how it should be.

If we treated our intelligent technology, technology that was convincingly alive and convincingly human, like a mere tool for our gratification then I believe this would translate over to our human interactions. It would make us more cynical and selfish with each other. The real question in my mind is should we create these machines?
 
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Machines by definition have no free will, but their actions are programmed by men. There is no animal that man cannot control, so animals have no free will either. Neither of these have rights thus. Humans have rights iff they have free will which is a moral rather than epistemological question.
 
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i haven't got the energy to read all the posts, i just wanted to suggest that people watch the star trek next generation episode called The Measure of a Man and the star trek voyager episode called Author Author

I'm not saying what they come up with is a good or bad conclusion - they're just exactly what this topic is about and you might all find it interesting
 
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