MacArthur-ism

[Augustine_Was_Calvinist]

I am not questioning your faith. What I am inquiring about is your assessment of your faith. Are you in a postion to question your own faith and if so what is your verdict.

What I can do, is to inspect myself to see if I am being sanctified in Christ, conformed to the image of Christ, that comes after being "born again".

The answer is....yes.

 

[DouglasMabry]

If nwmsugrad were to ask how I know I am elect, I would say that Christ is more than a thousand testimonies to me.

-- A slightly modified quote from Calvin

 

[JerryShugart]

What I can do, is to inspect myself to see if I am being sanctified in Christ, conformed to the image of Christ, that comes after being "born again".

The answer is....yes.

You could fit the description of those who are not elect:

"Others, not elected, although they may be called by the ministry of the Word, and may have some common operations of the Spirit, yet they never truly come to Christ, and therefore can not be saved: much less can men, not professing the Christian religion, be saved in any other way whatsoever, be they never so diligent to frame their lives according to the light of nature, and the law of that religion they do profess; and to assert and maintain that they may is without warrant of the Word of God. "(Westminster Confession of Faith").

Those of us who believe the Word of God can say,like John,that "we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life"(1Jn.5:20).

In His grace,--Jerry
"Dispensationalism Made Easy"

http://gracebeacon.net/studies/shugart-dispensationalism_made_easy.html

 

[Augustine_Was_Calvinist]

You could fit the description of those who are not elect:

"Others, not elected, although they may be called by the ministry of the Word, and may have some common operations of the Spirit, yet they never truly come to Christ, and therefore can not be saved: much less can men, not professing the Christian religion, be saved in any other way whatsoever, be they never so diligent to frame their lives according to the light of nature, and the law of that religion they do profess; and to assert and maintain that they may is without warrant of the Word of God. "(Westminster Confession of Faith").

Those of us who believe the Word of God can say,like John,that "we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life"(1Jn.5:20).

In His grace,--Jerry
"Dispensationalism Made Easy"

http://gracebeacon.net/studies/shugart-dispensationalism_made_easy.html

No, those who are not Elect, while being able to do some good things by man's standards, are not being conformed to the image of Christ.

 

[JerryShugart]

No, those who are not Elect, while being able to do some good things by man's standards, are not being conformed to the image of Christ.

They probably think that they are being conformed to the image of Christ,just as you do.And I do not see how you can think that you are doing "good things" when you assert (contrary to Scripture) that a man is blind to the gospel at birth but Satan can somehow blind those who are already blind.

You say that the elect is "alive" before he believes the gospel despite the fact that the Lord Jesus says that upon belief the sinner "passes from death unto life".

You have never explained how a person who is already "alive" can pass from death unto life when he believes.

In His grace,--Jerry
"Dispensationalism Made Easy"

http://gracebeacon.net/studies/shugart-dispensationalism_made_easy.html

 

[Augustine_Was_Calvinist]

They probably think that they are being conformed to the image of Christ,just as you do.And I do not see how you can think that you are doing "good things" when you assert (contrary to Scripture) that a man is blind to the gospel at birth but Satan can somehow blind those who are already blind.

You say that the elect is "alive" before he believes the gospel despite the fact that the Lord Jesus says that upon belief the sinner "passes from death unto life".

You have never explained how a person who is already "alive" can pass from death unto life when he believes.

In His grace,--Jerry
"Dispensationalism Made Easy"

http://gracebeacon.net/studies/shugart-dispensationalism_made_easy.html

You misread what the Conession says, just as you did the other day, reading into it what you want it to say.

Once again, your zeal to say, "gotcha", leads you into eisegesis.

And, your logic fails as well.

A non-believer cannot think themselves to be conformed to the image of Christ.

 

[Seaioth]

Listen to the Shepherds Conference 2005... He is not what you guys seem to think he is by the term Dispensationalist...

 

[Knight]

I thought this was about MacArthur????

No offense guys but this seems to have gotten way off track.

 

[GLJCA]

My answer to them is simply this, "You show me in that verse, in the Old Testament, which promises a kingdom to Israel, where it says that it really means the Church--show me!" Where does it say that? On what exegetical basis, what historical, grammatical, literal, interpretative basis of the Scripture can you tell me that when God says "Israel" He means the "Church"? Where does it say that? That's where the burden of proof really lies. A straightforward understanding of the Old Testament leads to only one conclusion and that is that there is a kingdom for Israel. One way to understand that is to ask yourself a question. In the Old Testament . . . and if you wanted to get sort of a general sense of what the Old Testament is about, it's simply about this--it reveals God and His Law, and it tells what's going to happen to you if you obey it, and what's going to happen to you if you don't--and then it gives you a whole lot of illustrations of that--right? It reveals God and His Law and it tells you what's going to happen to you if you obey it, and if you don't--blessings and cursing.

I have a question. Jeremiah 31 tells us that basically as long as the heavens and the earth are in place that he will never cast off the seed of Israel. Jeremiah 31:37 Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.
Yet we find in the New Testament that Jesus tells the Jews that the kingdom will be taken from them and given to another nation. Matt 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder. And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.
Now obviously the earth and heavens are still in place even though the kingdom was taken from the Jews so what could that possibly mean?

Could the solution be in the fact that the promises of God belong to Covenant Israel characterized by the olive tree in Rom 11 where the unbelieving were cut out but the believing remained and the Gentiles were grafted in? That is speaking of Covenant Israel is it not? In Romans 2:28-29 doesn't Paul differentiate between an outward Jew and an inward Jew saying that those who are outward Jews are really not Jews at all? If that be the case then there is a difference between a Jew who has the outward sign but not the inward Spirit. One is a part of Israel and a recipient of the blessings and one isn't, even though both are of the nation of Israel. Could you share what is wrong with looking at it this way?

Another question I have is how is it that Rahab could become an Israelite, with all the blessings of the covenant, even to the extent that she was in the hall of faith in Heb 11 even though she was not of the Abrahamic bloodline yet Dispensationalism says that Christians today can not become a part of Israel by faith. Does that make sense to you?

GLJCA

 

[lightninboy]

I take Zane Hodges over John MacArthur.