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Garnett said:Can anyone help me: What are the agreed definitions (of "complex", and "capable" for example) and topic of debate here? I'm becoming less and less sure.
pittguy579 said:Are you saying adaptability to any environment and problem solving capabilties, including shaping the environment to enable a species to not only survive but thrive do not play a role in terms of biology?
Which human is more superior overall?
1. The paralysed guy in the wheelchair with a vast intellect?
2. The strongest, fastest and most athletic man in the world.
3. Or someone like Beethoven, the musical genius.
Cant you see that depending on what you specify, EACH of these people are superior the other in different ways.
Just like the above, a Hawk can see better than us. Its eyes are far more advanced than our species.
Jut like the above, a Cheetah can run much faster than any human. Its far more advanced in that respect.
The fact may be that humans are more intelligent than every other animal. But bacteria can survive an asteroid that will whipe us out
Edx said:Are you saying that bacteria arent better at this than we are??
Edx said:Pittguy has been making them up as he goes along. "More advanced in every way", has now become "more advanced overall".
pittguy579 said:Yes, that is clear.
This is getting ridiculous.
Edx said:What is ridiculous is you thinking we can survive better than bacteria.
pittguy579 said:And you don't understand those two meanings are interchangeable for all intents and purposes.
We are both
pittguy579 said:And survivability doesn't equal more complex in terms of capabilities
pittguy579 said:Capable of complex activities and dominating in land, sea, or air
The only thing worth creating, biologically, are offspringCreating
No, I'm saying they aren't as important as you think and they don't make humans better organisms than a bacteria or a fishAre you saying adaptability to any environment and problem solving capabilties, including shaping the environment to enable a species to not only survive but thrive do not play a role in terms of biology?
If you think that is all that matters, that is fine
I am looking at the big picture
True, but I am sure we will have the ability to change course if necessary. Other creatures wouldn't even realize what they are doing.
In terms of making babies, maybe not. There are other creatures that can produce more, but greater numbers do not mean more advanced and more capable
But not all life has the ability we have. We are the pinnacle of creation. No other creature before us had our ability. The only creature that will surpass us is a more capable human, if that is even possible.
We can travel/live on land/sea and travel in the air
Dolphins are stuck in the water
But in biological terms that is utterly pointless, it doesn't help you procreate
The only thing worth creating, biologically, are offspring
No, I'm saying they aren't as important as you think and they don't make humans better organisms than a bacteria or a fish
You are looking at the human picture. But that is understandable as you are ( probably ) a human and you aren't a biologist.
Doesn't make them less adapted than we are
If you define capability as spreading your DNA it does, and what is life here for, it's not here to build submarines, it's here to pass on its DNA to the greatest number of offspring.
We are the pinnacle of creation in human terms, but we are just another extant species that has to adapt to survive.
It doesn't matter, we are here to reproduce and building airplanes won't help you do that ( unless you have a weird fetish ).
We can't live and reproduce in the dolphins niche and they can't in ours. In biological terms we are both succesful species well adapted to our environments.
Edx said:This is what you are doing...
Honda brings out a new car that runs on water, claims its "more advanced in every way".
Then someone responds, "actually theres a car from Ford has a better sound system, theres a car from Jaguar can go 0-60 in 3 seconds, and theres even one called "SkyCar" which can FLY!!"
Honda reply, well, yes... but our car is more advanced in the BEST way! Its the most advanced OVERALL!
No, they arent the same thing.
Edx said:And you never answered the question:
Which human is more superior overall?
1. The paralysed guy in the wheelchair with a vast intellect?
2. The strongest, fastest and most athletic man in the world.
3. Or someone like Beethoven, the musical genius.
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Dont dodge it like before. Just say 1, 2 or 3.
Once again you are equating capability with complexity which is a fallacy.pittguy579 said:Once again you are equating raw numbers to complexity which is a fallacy
They are as important as I think. Humans are qualititaively more capable than any other creature. Than is indisputable
Once again you are equating capability with complexity which is a fallacy.
Bingo!pittguy579 said:No one dodged it. It is a POINTLESS and IRRELEVANT comparison. We are comparing apples to apples in that comparison. It's like saying what apple do you like better , a red one or a yellow one. Basically are the same thing and the differences are merely subjective for all intents and purposes.
pittguy579 said:Basically are the same thing and the differences are merely subjective for all intents and purposes. .
Yes it ispittguy579 said:No it's not.
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