Lying

[Fly04~J~]

I can't understand that about lying... As a christian, we know that lie is a lie and there's no such thing called light lie or big lie... it's a the same. But why do christian people still lying??
I do lied... but as I grow up with the love of God, I found out that if I speak the truth, I will feel no evil, scared, guilty or so on... In fact, I feel better and I the habit of lying slowly burned....
There's so much different if we are with God and those who's not. When we are with God, we will realise that lying is sin and we know the price... but those who doesn't have God in them, they will feel nothing about lying and they keep doin it.
Can it be done??? I mean, can human avoid telling lie??

 

[Skripper]

I can't understand that about lying... As a christian, we know that lie is a lie and there's no such thing called light lie or big lie... it's a the same.

Not really. That's like saying that sin is sin and that there's no difference in degree (when in fact there is both mortal and venial sin). Or, secularly speaking, that crime is crime and there's no difference (when in fact there are both misdemeanors and felonies).

But why do christian people still lying??

I have read somewhere (can't recall where at the moment) that all lies are not, necessarily, sins. I know that sounds a bit counterintuitive to Christian ears at first glance. Working from memory here, so please bear with me. But the reasoning was something like: "A lie is not a sin if the person did not have a legitimate moral right to the information." Or something to that effect. For example if during WWII someone was hiding Jews in their home and the SS came knocking, asking if there were Jews in the house, it would not be a sin to say no. Similar, and less dramatic examples exist, of course.

I do lied... but as I grow up with the love of God, I found out that if I speak the truth, I will feel no evil, scared, guilty or so on... In fact, I feel better and I the habit of lying slowly burned....
There's so much different if we are with God and those who's not. When we are with God, we will realise that lying is sin and we know the price... but those who doesn't have God in them, they will feel nothing about lying and they keep doin it.
Can it be done??? I mean, can human avoid telling lie??

I dunno, I suppose it's possible. When faced with certain situations where the apparent choices are seemingly only to lie or not, a third option is sometimes available . . . silence.

 

[Fly04~J~]

I understan if it comes to God, we have the reason to telling lie... But when it comes to personal, does it count?? I mean, most of people, they lie just to escape... agree??? for example, I once being told to tell lie to my uncle about my salary... I just got my salary and my uncle asked me and he borrowed my money almost everything... with boldness I told him that I have the money with me now and I gave all of my salary to him... he need the money to travelling and it's seem hard for him to give money to me before... He owez gave more money to his kids.... but, I dare not to tell lie coz I know that God is with me and what ever that happened, has a reason... it's might be his time when he needed money and who knows that one day, it will be my time...

 

[tjboie2001]

I have lied in the past about stupid stuff. But why lie about serious stuff then if you do that when you want to tell someone something that is serious then it is going to be kind of hard for them to believe you in anyway. But I don't think that anyone can go with out lying at all that's just the way we are.l

 

[Fly04~J~]

I have lied in the past about stupid stuff. But why lie about serious stuff then if you do that when you want to tell someone something that is serious then it is going to be kind of hard for them to believe you in anyway. But I don't think that anyone can go with out lying at all that's just the way we are.l

I'm personally not agree with you Tjboie... We are not born to tell lie.. for God's reason, yes, it's consider ok... just to save God's people... But let me tell you this, God is with us. And whatever that you fear, don't tell lie coz that gonna cost you. When God Himself tell you to do so, then it will make you feel better. If you know that you have lied, pray and ask for forgiveness from God and He will forgive you. Make sure that it will not happen again.. pray that the Holy Spirit be there to guide everything that you do in life and ask for direction to His path... I believe that you will prosper in the eyes of Our LORD.. Amen

 

[JJM]

from the catechism

2482 "A lie consists in speaking a falsehood with the intention of deceiving."281 The Lord denounces lying as the work of the devil: "You are of your father the devil, . . . there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks according to his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies."282

2483 Lying is the most direct offense against the truth. To lie is to speak or act against the truth in order to lead someone into error. By injuring man's relation to truth and to his neighbor, a lie offends against the fundamental relation of man and of his word to the Lord.

2484 The gravity of a lie is measured against the nature of the truth it deforms, the circumstances, the intentions of the one who lies, and the harm suffered by its victims. If a lie in itself only constitutes a venial sin, it becomes mortal when it does grave injury to the virtues of justice and charity.

2485 By its very nature, lying is to be condemned. It is a profanation of speech, whereas the purpose of speech is to communicate known truth to others. The deliberate intention of leading a neighbor into error by saying things contrary to the truth constitutes a failure in justice and charity. The culpability is greater when the intention of deceiving entails the risk of deadly consequences for those who are led astray.

 

[JJM]

Lieing is a sin if we couldn't stop we wouldn't have control over it and thus couldn't be held accountable thus it wouln't be a sin. however it is so we can stop through the grace of God. We allways have enough grace to stop any temptation.

 

[JJM]

so as a sumery of the catechism. lying is always a sin. however it is a mortal sin when a. Someone gets out of trouble, b. when you do it to hurt someone. all other times it's venial.

 

[Fly04~J~]

so as a sumery of the catechism. lying is always a sin. however it is a mortal sin when a. Someone gets out of trouble, b. when you do it to hurt someone. all other times it's venial.

I see......

 

[JJM]

I see......

however venial sin should also be avoided so you do well byt not lying

 

[Gwendolyn]

so as a sumery of the catechism. lying is always a sin. however it is a mortal sin when a. Someone gets out of trouble, b. when you do it to hurt someone. all other times it's venial.

Yep, that's the Catholic truth (with which I fully agree). However - and forgive me if I am wrong - she might not believe the same thing because I see she has defined herself as "Christian", and has expressed a Protestant POV... so that accounts for the discrepancy.

As for lying, I hate the feeling of lying. When I was in my younger teens, I used to lie to escape accountability because I was not yet mature enough to accept responsibility for my actions, and all that entailed. Now that I have grown up and matured, I understand that I do my brothers and sisters a great disrespect when I lie to them - it is treating them as though I think they are inferior to me, as though they are too "stupid" or "ignorant" to be able to figure out the truth for themselves. I always think to myself, "I would never want anyone to treat me with such disrespect", because it's so humiliating and hurtful whenever I find out someone has been lying to me - I feel like they didn't respect me enough to allow me to understand the truth, and I feel like they thought I was too stupid to figure it out and accept it on my own.

It's the classic "do unto others" rule. It works wonders if you really take the time to consider everything that it mean and all that it entails.

 

[Fly04~J~]

Yep, that's the Catholic truth (with which I fully agree). However - and forgive me if I am wrong - she might not believe the same thing because I see she has defined herself as "Christian", and has expressed a Protestant POV... so that accounts for the discrepancy.

As for lying, I hate the feeling of lying. When I was in my younger teens, I used to lie to escape accountability because I was not yet mature enough to accept responsibility for my actions, and all that entailed. Now that I have grown up and matured, I understand that I do my brothers and sisters a great disrespect when I lie to them - it is treating them as though I think they are inferior to me, as though they are too "stupid" or "ignorant" to be able to figure out the truth for themselves. I always think to myself, "I would never want anyone to treat me with such disrespect", because it's so humiliating and hurtful whenever I find out someone has been lying to me - I feel like they didn't respect me enough to allow me to understand the truth, and I feel like they thought I was too stupid to figure it out and accept it on my own.

It's the classic "do unto others" rule. It works wonders if you really take the time to consider everything that it mean and all that it entails.

I myself doesn't really understand why can't we think positively .... I mean, if we say the truth, nothing will came out from that... I don't feel ashamed if I have lied, I will personally go to the person myself and tell he/her the truth that I lied. But, I'm ashamed to God that He's looking at me when I lied and often, I feel bad and that make mylife looks miserable. But, as I grew in Christ, I have avoid telling lie, and in fact, If I do so, I will go to that person that tell them that I lied.... By doin that, nothing bad will appear.. I mean, from a simple lie, it came out a big problem that cost you another lie and you will keep lying and lying to escape.... in the other way, you could solve the problem by telling the truth earlier and no such thing will happened...