Lutheran view on Marijuana

[Zecryphon]

Hmm, actually it is not a moot point for me. I can hop onto a boat to Amsterdam tommorow and visit a there perfectly legal coffee shop.

Well if it's that easy, what's stopping you?

 

[Edial]

I have my understanding of this.

The Bible defines that moderate amount of wine is beneficial both physically and psychologically.
(Timothy's "stomach" verse and Proverb's "wine gladdens one's heart" verse).

Very strong verses against getting drunk as a normative way of drinking.

Strong drink is basically a no-no.

Beer is called a brawler (in Proverbs).

Wine is really the only balanced drink that the Bible offers to be drank in moderation.
Drinking wine in moderation means the amount consumed could be moderated by a person.
Not that addictive as one might think.

Drugs (and I have done my share) are addictive and cannot really be moderated.
You do more and more.

So I see it this way.

OK to drink wine and moderate the amount.

Avoid hard stuff.

No to drugs.

Save beer drinking for the Oktoberfest.

Thanks,
Ed

 

[Tangible]

"It is possible to tolerate a little elevation, when a man takes a drink or two too much after working hard and when he is feeling low. This must be called a frolic. But to sit day and night, pouring it in and pouring it out again, is piggish... all food is a matter of freedom, even a modest drink for one's pleasure. If you do not wish to conduct yourself this way, if you are going to go beyond this and be a born pig and guzzle beer and wine, then, if this cannot be stopped by the rulers, you must know that you cannot be saved. For God will not admit such piggish drinkers into the kingdom of heaven [cf. Gal. 5:19-21]... If you are tired and downhearted, take a drink; but this does not mean being a pig and doing nothing but gorging and swilling... You should be moderate and sober; this means that we should not be drunken, though we may be exhilarated." M Luther, Sermon on Soberness and Moderation, delivered on May 18, 1539 (Source)

 

[alexnbethmom]

i love Luther and his point-blank-edness....

 

[Edial]

i love Luther and his point-blank-edness....

He would not last in CF 2 weeks ...:o

 

[alexnbethmom]

He would not last in CF 2 weeks ...:o

 

[Zecryphon]

He would not last in CF 2 weeks ...:o

2 weeks? You're being generous. He wouldn't last 2 seconds! One from him would be an automatic ban!

 

[DaRev]

Hmm, actually it is not a moot point for me. I can hop onto a boat to Amsterdam tommorow and visit a there perfectly legal coffee shop.

Actually, in Amsterdam marajuana is illegal to possess and consume. It's just not enforced in certain places.

 

[Edial]

Pharmakeo Greek word that trickled down to us in English as pharmacy, drugs, occurs 3 times in NT.

In EVERY case it is translated as witchcraft.

GAL 5:19 The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft pharmakeia; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

REV 9:20 The rest of mankind that were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the work of their hands; they did not stop worshiping demons, and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone and wood--idols that cannot see or hear or walk. 21 Nor did they repent of their murders, their magic arts pharmakon, their sexual immorality or their thefts.

REV 18:23 The light of a lamp
will never shine in you again.
The voice of bridegroom and bride
will never be heard in you again.
Your merchants were the world's great men.
By your magic spell pharmakeia all the nations were led astray.

Today, drugs are a necessity in sorcery.

Wine, although many many say is a drug, is NOT a drug in the spiritual context.

Thanks,
In Christ,
Ed

 

[Edial]

2 weeks? You're being generous. He wouldn't last 2 seconds! One from him would be an automatic ban!

Permaban ... he would flip these sections of the rules in his first 100 posts ...

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[alexnbethmom]

Permaban ... he would flip these sections of the rules in his first 100 posts ...

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Brinking

ok, i think i'm bright enough to understand 99% of the words in this post, but i just HAFTA ask....what is.....BRINKING??

 

[Edial]

ok, i think i'm bright enough to understand 99% of the words in this post, but i just HAFTA ask....what is.....BRINKING??

Read the rules.
... I know, Martin Luther had his own idea about rules ... 99 of them.

 

[Zecryphon]

Read the rules.
... I know, Martin Luther had his own idea about rules ... 99 of them.

And here I thought they were the 95 Theses. Or was that the name of his praise band?

 

[Edial]

And here I thought they were the 95 Theses. Or was that the name of his praise band?

 

[DaRev]

Pharmakeo Greek word that trickled down to us in English as pharmacy, drugs, occurs 3 times in NT.

In EVERY case it is translated as witchcraft.

GAL 5:19 The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft pharmakeia; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

REV 9:20 The rest of mankind that were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the work of their hands; they did not stop worshiping demons, and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone and wood--idols that cannot see or hear or walk. 21 Nor did they repent of their murders, their magic arts pharmakon, their sexual immorality or their thefts.

REV 18:23 The light of a lamp
will never shine in you again.
The voice of bridegroom and bride
will never be heard in you again.
Your merchants were the world's great men.
By your magic spell pharmakeia all the nations were led astray.

Today, drugs are a necessity in sorcery.

Wine, although many many say is a drug, is NOT a drug in the spiritual context.

Thanks,
In Christ,
Ed

Pharmaceuticals does not refer directly to drugs, but rather the mixing or preparation of drugs for specific purposes. A 'pharmacy' is a place where drugs are prepared for consumption. A 'pharmaceuticals' company mixes ingredients as a preparation for medicines.

The use of the word in the NT refers to sorcerers, who often used potions, etc. in their craft. Thus the use of that word for 'sorcerers' or 'sorcery'.

 

[Edial]

Pharmaceuticals does not refer directly to drugs, but rather the mixing or preparation of drugs for specific purposes. A 'pharmacy' is a place where drugs are prepared for consumption. A 'pharmaceuticals' company mixes ingredients as a preparation for medicines.

The use of the word in the NT refers to sorcerers, who often used potions, etc. in their craft. Thus the use of that word for 'sorcerers' or 'sorcery'.

I think we would agree it does not pertain to preparation of wine.

 

[DaRev]

I think we would agree it does not pertain to preparation of wine.

Absolutely.

 

[Studeclunker]

Pharmakeo Greek word that trickled down to us in English as pharmacy, drugs, occurs 3 times in NT.

In EVERY case it is translated as witchcraft.

GAL 5:19 The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft pharmakeia; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

REV 9:20 The rest of mankind that were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the work of their hands; they did not stop worshiping demons, and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone and wood--idols that cannot see or hear or walk. 21 Nor did they repent of their murders, their magic arts pharmakon, their sexual immorality or their thefts.

REV 18:23 The light of a lamp
will never shine in you again.
The voice of bridegroom and bride
will never be heard in you again.
Your merchants were the world's great men.
By your magic spell pharmakeia all the nations were led astray.

Today, drugs are a necessity in sorcery.

Wine, although many many say is a drug, is NOT a drug in the spiritual context.

Thanks,
In Christ,
Ed

What an interesting concept! Do you think perhaps they may have been using Pharmakeia as meaning Alchemy, a word that wasn't quite in use yet, to describe chemistry?

Gosh, if you are spot on though, what a judgement to the U.S! We are the Pharmacological centre of the world, presently.