Lutheran Historic and Current positions on different view

[ReformedChapin]

Where can I find a reliable source to find out more about Lutherans position in...

Baptisim

Salvation

Hermanutics

Eschatology

 

[KimLCMS]

There are different synods within the Lutheran Church. If you want to check out the views held by My synod - Lutheran Church Missouri Synod - they have an officail website that's pretty thourough.

 

[dinkime]

the Book of Concord -- which i know can be found on-line, i just don't have the link

 

[KimLCMS]

the link for the site I was reffering to is

www.lcms.org

 

[QuiltAngel]

A good place to start is the Small Catechism.

Both, the Small Catechism and the Augsburg Confession are sticked in the main forum here on TCL.

 

[BigNorsk]

Where can I find a reliable source to find out more about Lutherans position in...

Baptisim

Salvation

Hermanutics

Eschatology

Well as far as I know, Baptism is pretty universally agreed at least in the US. As would be Salvation. End Times generally Amillenialism has been the position for most that would be considered Lutheran the end times are not stressed in Lutheranism like they are in many other groups. We see the basic message as God wins, God is in control, and we don't spend a lot of time trying to tell what is going to happen next Tuesday.

Hermaneutics is the basic split. ELCA and some others like the Scandinavian state churches go by higher criticism, generally called historical critical. Most others go by grammitical-historical interpretation.

Are you just trying to catalog or see what the beliefs are or are you looking for proofs or what?


Marv

 

[C.F.W. Walther]

A dangerous belief.

http://www.osl.cc/believe/revexcur.htm

 

[ReformedChapin]

Well as far as I know, Baptism is pretty universally agreed at least in the US. As would be Salvation. End Times generally Amillenialism has been the position for most that would be considered Lutheran the end times are not stressed in Lutheranism like they are in many other groups. We see the basic message as God wins, God is in control, and we don't spend a lot of time trying to tell what is going to happen next Tuesday.

Hermaneutics is the basic split. ELCA and some others like the Scandinavian state churches go by higher criticism, generally called historical critical. Most others go by grammitical-historical interpretation.

Are you just trying to catalog or see what the beliefs are or are you looking for proofs or what?


Marv

I want description of each beliefs and rational behind them. I would be nice to see the historic positions which I would imagine came from Luther and how they have evolved/changed.

 

[DaRev]

Actually, Luther's views on these matters are those of the Apostle's, thus they haven't changed at all.

Check the Book of Concord online.

 

[DaRev]

You do realize that every denomination claims to keep the original Gospel right?

Claiming it and keeping it are two different things. When you compare different denominational views of certain issues to the Scriptures themsleves, it's easy to see where the flaws reside. This is the main reason I'm a Confessional Lutheran.

 

[KimLCMS]

Here's the link from the Book of concord about Baptism:

http://www.bookofconcord.org/augsburgdefense/7_baptism.html

 

[KimLCMS]

This is a link to the book of Concord concerning "Righteousness of Faith" that may clear up some questions about salvation.

http://www.bookofconcord.org/fc-sd/righteousness.html

 

[ReformedChapin]

Claiming it and keeping it are two different things. When you compare different denominational views of certain issues to the Scriptures themsleves, it's easy to see where the flaws reside. This is the main reason I'm a Confessional Lutheran.

I hate to repeat myself but no one would hold a view they thought was innaccurate.
But thank you for the resource.

 

[KimLCMS]

Here's a link from the LCMS site about Hermanutics
https://www.lcms.org/graphics/assets/media/CTCR/theses.pdf

 

[KimLCMS]

Here is a link from the LCMS site about death, dying and the endtimes:

http://www.lcms.org/graphics/assets/media/LCMS/wa_death-dying.pdf

also

http://www.lcms.org/graphics/assets/media/LCMS/wa_newmillennium.pdf

 

[DaRev]

I hate to repeat myself but no one would hold a view they thought was innaccurate.
But thank you for the resource.

They may not think it's inaccurate, but a concise study of Scripture reveals what is accurate and what isn't. Again, this is precisely why I am a Confessional Lutheran and not some other denom.

 

[ReformedChapin]

They may not think it's inaccurate, but a concise study of Scripture reveals what is accurate and what isn't. Again, this is precisely why I am a Confessional Lutheran and not some other denom.

They would say the same about any other position that differs from theirs. As I would with the westminister standard. I would like to make it clear that I don't mean to debate, I was just making some obvious statements.

I will stop now and just keeping asking followship questions.

 

[BigNorsk]

Well, the basic thing is, in general, there is no desire to evolve. The Bible doesn't change and basic Lutheran doctrine really doesn't either. You've already been pointed towards the Book of Concord. You can read that at www.bookofconcord.org that was written in the 1500's, some of it by Luther but mostly by others. In any case, it is still used and studied, though now we here generally use an English translation. If you want historic positions, they are in it, as well as at least some of the scriptural proof.

And the websites of the various synods do do a fair job of doctrinal explanations. The LCMS site or the WELS site are probably the most extensive and intensive to show the grammitical-historical interpretations. And the ELCA would show the historical critical interpretation.

But for any of the four other than hermaneutics itself, you could use any of the three.

If you want to get in depth, a Systematics book would be best. Theodore Mueller's single volume work "Christian Dogmatics" would be a good choice. It's a condensation of Francis Pieper's 4 volume work of the same name.

If you like computer versions, Mueller's work is available with a couple of more basic presentations of Lutheran Doctrine on a cd. It is part of the Concordia Theological Library set. It would be Collection five, the Basic Theological Collection.

Now if you are really serious on history. Then Robert Preus' "Theology of Post-Reformation Lutheranism" would really cover what's happened. It's part of Collection seven.

And if you wanted to compare very early Systematics with later, you could get Collection 8 which gives you Francis Pieper's work of the early 1900's and also Chemnitz's work of the 1500's. He was second generation Lutheran, some refer to him as the second Luther. But he was a very important early theologian.

It's more difficult to study Luther directly because while he was many things he was not a systematic.

A good place to start with what Lutherans believe would be the Brief Statement adopted by the LCMS in 1932. Go to that page and the Brief Statement is under II. Doctrinal Statements broken into topics.

So sky is the limit.

Marv

 

[BigNorsk]

Oh I almost forgot. The material principle of Lutheranism is the Article on Justification. That we are saved by God's grace alone through faith alone through Christ's merit and for his sake alone.

If something you are reading seems to conflict with that, then you are mistaken in your understanding. A lot of people for instance read the Lutheran position on baptism and jump to the conclusion of it is a works based salvation, which it absolutely is not. That's a common example which if one just reads on baptism without fitting it in the framework of Lutheranism is a common mistake made by readers when they try to fit it into their framework or the framework of the Catholic Church.

Marv

 

[ReformedChapin]

Oh I almost forgot. The material principle of Lutheranism is the Article on Justification. That we are saved by God's grace alone through faith alone through Christ's merit and for his sake alone.

If something you are reading seems to conflict with that, then you are mistaken in your understanding. A lot of people for instance read the Lutheran position on baptism and jump to the conclusion of it is a works based salvation, which it absolutely is not. That's a common example which if one just reads on baptism without fitting it in the framework of Lutheranism is a common mistake made by readers when they try to fit it into their framework or the framework of the Catholic Church.

Marv

Well can you explain the Lutheran position on Baptism especially infant baptism. It sure seems like salvation by works, but you state it isn't. Why?

Also I'm trying to understand the Lutheran position on salvation. It partially seems like the reformed position but with an extra clause of salvation for all. I don't get it.