Lusting

[Montalban]

One of the reasons Moslem men make their women cover-up is that they believe men are much more subjected to sexual passions than are men. Thus if a woman covers-up she's protecting both herself, and the man (from being tempted by her).

Given that, how many Moslem men attack women in the west - seeing as they're more constantly exposed to such temptations?

 

[Moros]

A disproportionate amount.

 

[Montalban]

A disproportionate amount.

I wouldn't agree, despite the much-publicised gang rapes that took place here in Sydney not so long ago.

I think the lack of hoardes of Moslem men attacking women in the west gives evidence that women don't need to be oppressively covered-up; more proof that allah didn't know what he was talking about.

 

[Vaneeza Malkah]

it's more like disgust and embarrasment for religous muslim men when they see uncovered western women. Yet in the west, western men for years have blamed the way women have dressed for the rapes they committed. In america 1/5 women are raped, how that is possible a society can have such a high number of rapes I can't explain.

 

[Montalban]

it's more like disgust and embarrasment for religous muslim men when they see uncovered western women.

So you're saying that they think western women are s*uts?

Yet in the west, western men for years have blamed the way women have dressed for the rapes they committed. In america 1/5 women are raped, how that is possible a society can have such a high number of rapes I can't explain.

Actually, my understanding is that the way a woman dresses is not an issue in western rape cases.

 

[sanaa]

i think the op is making a valid point . even women in india are not fully covered by islamic standards but muslim men behave quite normal around them . now maybe some muslims will say these people are not "true" muslims

 

[Athene]

I would be interested to learn the rape statistics in certain muslim countries. Under Shari'ah law a raped woman has to have four male witnesses to prove the rape has been comitted, is that not so?
Needless to say, I'm sure that many rapes go unreported.

 

[Arthra]

Veiling or covering up was not an injunction from the Qur'an as such but became a custom and interpreted law later in my view. Modesty is I think the recommended mode with Christians, Muslims and Jews.

Wikipedia again has a fairly balanced article on the subject:

"There is a common misconception that a precise dress code for women is spelled out in the Qur'an. In truth, however, no precise dress code for men or women is set out in the Qur'an."

Source:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijab

Baha'i women in Muslim countries will wear the veil because it is the common practise and not to wear one can attract undue attention. Tahirih the famous Persian poetess and Babi heroine removed her veil at the Conference of Badasht, Persia in 1848 as a symbolic gesture of the liberation from the customs of the past that had secluded women and separated them from the community.

- Art

 

[Montalban]

Veiling or covering up was not an injunction from the Qur'an as such but became a custom and interpreted law later in my view. Modesty is I think the recommended mode with Christians, Muslims and Jews.
- Art

Please address the OP.

Moslems over-dress their women based on the idea of abrogating their own responsibilities, re: lust. If this 'lust' is so uncontrollable, why aren't they going nuts in western nations?

Or, are they?

 

[Theowne]

If this 'lust' is so uncontrollable, why aren't they going nuts in western nations?

When the west starts having multiple television shows *dedicated* to investigating sex crimes, I think that's an indication that there is in fact something wrong there.

 

[Bookofknowledge]

One of the reasons Moslem men make their women cover-up is that they believe men are much more subjected to sexual passions than are men. Thus if a woman covers-up she's protecting both herself, and the man (from being tempted by her).

Given that, how many Moslem men attack women in the west - seeing as they're more constantly exposed to such temptations?

- are you talking about belief
- are you talking about culture of a nation
- are you talking about human desire when men and women see with their eyes

will you do nothing when your brothers and sisters are drowning in the river while you standing at the shore watching them drown in-front of your very eyes?

the first reason is that it has been said by Allah to the believing women.

33:58
And those who annoy believing men and believing women, for no fault of theirs, shall bear the guilt of slander and an evident sin.

33:59
O Prophet! Enjoin your wives, daughters and the believing women that they should draw their outer garments over their persons. That is more proper, so that they may be recognized and not bothered. Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

 

[msindiausa]

One of the reasons Moslem men make their women cover-up is that they believe men are much more subjected to sexual passions than are men. Thus if a woman covers-up she's protecting both herself, and the man (from being tempted by her).

Given that, how many Moslem men attack women in the west - seeing as they're more constantly exposed to such temptations?

great question.

 

[Vaneeza Malkah]

So you're saying that they think western women are s*uts?

I'm sure some think that, but mostly they think it's embarrasing that they don't cover their nakedness nor do they know they are naked. I however think that if they were to say that it's probably true since only 10% of women are virgins by the age of 18 and even less by the time they are married, I'd say a majority of women have unmoral standards.

Actually, my understanding is that the way a woman dresses is not an issue in western rape cases.

My understanding is that it is an issue, though most say it's not a good excuse.

 

[msindiausa]

it's more like disgust and embarrasment for religous muslim men when they see uncovered western women. Yet in the west, western men for years have blamed the way women have dressed for the rapes they committed. In america 1/5 women are raped, how that is possible a society can have such a high number of rapes I can't explain.

Rape is an act of violence. A man rapes a women because that is the only way he can get off. In most rape cases, a man does not even peak while he is raping the woman. He just likes the power. Clothing never has anything to do with rape. It is only the responsibility of the rapist.

 

[msindiausa]

I'm sure some think that, but mostly they think it's embarrasing that they don't cover their nakedness nor do they know they are naked. I however think that if they were to say that it's probably true since only 10% of women are virgins by the age of 18 and even less by the time they are married, I'd say a majority of women have unmoral standards.

My understanding is that it is an issue, though most say it's not a good excuse.

Please tell me where you got the less than 10%. I am telling you that rapist are violent criminals...Clothing does not turn them on. What turns them on is the thought of causing pain. How can you say that clothing is an issue?

 

[Vaneeza Malkah]

I did not say it's the issue, I said it's the excuse many rapists give as to why they commited the rape. Women wearing certain clothing, or revealing clothing can encite lust on any man because that's what women's bodies are designed to do.

 

[Vaneeza Malkah]

Please tell me where you got the less than 10%.

health class - public school - america

 

[Montalban]

- are you talking about belief
- are you talking about culture of a nation
- are you talking about human desire when men and women see with their eyes

will you do nothing when your brothers and sisters are drowning in the river while you standing at the shore watching them drown in-front of your very eyes?

the first reason is that it has been said by Allah to the believing women.

33:58
And those who annoy believing men and believing women, for no fault of theirs, shall bear the guilt of slander and an evident sin.

33:59
O Prophet! Enjoin your wives, daughters and the believing women that they should draw their outer garments over their persons. That is more proper, so that they may be recognized and not bothered. Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

So are you arguing for or against women being greatly covered up?

 

[Montalban]

great question.

Thank you. As far as I see Moslems are on a lose lose one here.

If they argue that its a necessary part to protect women and men, why don't we see them going sex-mad here in the west?

If they don't, it means it's not necessary.

 

[Bookofknowledge]

So are you arguing for or against women being greatly covered up?

Who am I to argue?

Do you consider it to be unchaste when it comes to the obedient females who obey what God has told them to enjoin with regards to cover?

Any female who obey what God has told them is directly obeying God and anyone who disobey then she either doesn't posses knowledge or fail to acknowledge.