Lusting again...............

Keep your mind preoccupied, always have something else to do, don't let yourself have idle time during the day. Its a battle and your going to have fight the temptation, it will never just go away. Always pray and realize God's purpose in this area (to have no hint of sexual immorality). I'm reading "Every Man's Battle" right now, its a book about sexual integrity and purity, you might even want to read it. Feel free to PM me if you want to talk in private. I struggle with this and many other people do too.

From your first message it sounds like when you touch bad things come into your mind. It kinda sounds like its the bad things that bother you but not the masturbation.
The best way is to keep away from it at all costs.. obviously lol. If you see pictures of porn just get away from it. It you have an image in your mind ask God to forgive you and ask Jesus to protect you. When you go to bed you'll probably be tired. Just go straight to sleep. Or before hand read the Bible so that your mind is full of the truths of God. Then pray to God to give you a peaceful sleep but that if the devil tries to attack you, that He'll be there to help.

Porn is not a healthy thing. I'd focus on dealing with that issue first.
As far as masturbation, you and about everyone else on the planet has done it.
Looking back I see it as one of the least urgent issues to deal with. Really.

If you are at your computer with nothing to do, get away from it. Check your email and then turn the thing off. Replace that time with something constructive. Time unaccounted for exploits the areas we are weak in.

is it even possible to touch without at least thinking of girls?

Breetai said:

is it even possible to touch without at least thinking of girls?

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ok at the risk of sounding...icky...i think so...try reading while you do if you have to (christian guy i know does this, i have no idea why he told me)...so you get the umm...release...without the sexual thoughts...

um......reading what? If I'm reading Penthouse forums, then I'm still lusting.
I think that girls can probably do it with out thinking lustfully about other people because they are different creatures. I think that girls are more about 'feelings', while us guys are more about the visual aspect. If I'm reading something, then I'm also closing my eyes and thinking visually.

Breetai said:

um......reading what? If I'm reading Penthouse forums, then I'm still lusting.
I think that girls can probably do it with out thinking lustfully about other people because they are different creatures. I think that girls are more about 'feelings', while us guys are more about the visual aspect. If I'm reading something, then I'm also closing my eyes and thinking visually.

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i was thinking more along the lines of a book or something...try Fisherman monthly...but it seems like you are fine til you touch, then masturbation will get you thinking bad...why don't you just not do it...

lilbobby86 said:

As human beings, we have to touch. Especially guys. If you don't touch, you'll eventually develope a testosterone build up which causes cancer and other sexual related diseases. Its in our divine nature to touch. That's the way that God intended it. Although, He didn't intend for us to use sexual lust, its quite hard to touch to anything else.

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Dude, this post is seriously uneducated, no offense lilbobby, but you're not right.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3072021.stm

You COULD reduce the risk of cancer.

It's not a fact that it works, and also, even if it DOES reduce the risk, it still doesn't mean that you WILL get cancer if you don't.

God intended us to touch? I do not think so!!!!

You said yourself- Masturbation causes shame. If God divinely intended us to all touch- then we would feel alright doing it. The God I serve does not put shame on me.

In the scripture it tells us to flee from all sexual immorality that our bodies are a temple of the Holy Spirit- and that when we join in sexual immorality it is joining with a prostitute (1 Cor. 6:15-20)- also in that passage it says that sexual immorality is sinning against your own body- well I can't think of any verse that condemns Masturbation more accurately.

What exactly is Sexual Immorality?- Well Sexual Immorality is anything that is sexual outside the context of marriage. Do you have the right to touch to thoughts of ANY of those girls? Are you married to them? Well, you know what you are doing? You are using them- which is no better than the infamous "R" word. Ouch? I said OUCH BIG TIME- when I heard that. And it doesn't matter if you are using the most On fire Christian Girl for your thoughts or the dirtiest porn star- Anyway you go around it- you are using them for pleasure YOU HAVE NO RIGHT to use.

Masturbation brings death- It does, I am not saying I am perfect- but let me share a little bit about myself- I thought it was ok to do it, you know what I did it without any porn nothing, for a long time- I started getting unsatisfied- and then I DOVE head first into pornography- You know how much porn I had on my computer?- I had hundreds upon hundreds of images- and I was masturbating at least 5 times a day. You know what? It brought spiritual death- BIG TIME. God and I were not close anymore- I was far away from God, you know what? I started accepting things- like drinking, and cussing like a sailor, and even eventually sex...well, I am still a virgin- Thank You Jesus, but if God allowed me to go even further in that relationship it would have led straight to sex. You know God broke me one day, It was a day that these guys said, "Dave I always saw you as this strong Christian- but the last few months- Man... you are Bad... Man you have a good cover up." That HURT ME big time! You know it's been about 10 months (which I know it doesn't seem that long) Since I have been totally reedemed from the pits of hell- and still the Devil is hitting me strong. I can't seem to get away from Masturbation sometimes- But I know that I have something real- that God has given me a new heart- and I am a son- I SEE that path- and it's not pretty. Thank You Jesus- I wasn't far down it!- I could be going straight to my own demise- ALL BECAUSE I wanted to obey the flesh!

A Common Misconception, is that we have this HUGE SEX DRIVE that cannot be controlled. Yes it can- you know why your sex drive is so over-active-because you feed it- the more TV, the more sexy music (yes- even innuendos in music make my mind race), the more Movies, The More you feed your eyes on the cute girls in the mall- The BIGGER, AND BIGGER your sexual drive becomes. Yes, God has created the man to have a great sex drive- and it will be put to Good use in satisfying your wife one day. God has not given you anymore temptation than you can bear (1 Cor. 10:13)

I would suggest you to do something that I call the Job 31:1 Principle- Job 31:1 says, 'I have made a covenant with my eyes not to look lustfully at a woman'-- When Satan Comes at you say Job 31:1 OVER, OVER, OVER, AND OVER- He will eventually WILL leave you alone.

Here are some scripture references to lust, Read them!:
Galatians 5:16-17
1 Cor. 10:13
Eph. 4:22-24,27
James 4:7-Defeating Satan.
Prov. 6:25-26
Prov. 7: 24-27
Job 31:1
1 Cor 10: 15-18

I do hope you overcome this- and all this stuff I have told you, I learned from "Every Mans Battle"- I do suggest you to get, "Every Young Man's Battle" (same authors, same priniciples) it's more relevant to teens- and our generation, that's the one I read. Because I believed the same way you did for a long time. And this book radically changed how I view sexual sins.

Anyway Be blessed Bro,

Superdave.

Cancer - i dunno, when i read this, I think to myself that everyone who eats pickles will die. =/

I stopped for 2 months once...

lilbobby, I've heard all of that medical info before....but I've also heard that there is NO harm in NOT masturbating. To each there own.

I don't think that fishing rods, rapalas, and giant muskies do anything for me Secretdawn. haha


Little Johnny- "my mom found my stash of mags under my bed!"
Little Johnny's buddy- "which ones? the hustler or the penthouse?"
Little Johnny- "neither....the Fisherman Monthly!"
Little Johnny's ex-buddy- "dude, you're a freak!"

Superdave had some good thinking going on.

If I had never masterbated or looked at porn, maybe I could've waited until marriage.

I regret not waiting, and it's hard not to want sex after having it.

So my advice is....no sex before marriage and stay away from porno. It changes your view of women. Not for the better.

lilbobby86 said:

As human beings, we have to touch. Especially guys. If you don't touch, you'll eventually develope a testosterone build up which causes cancer and other sexual related diseases. Its in our divine nature to touch. That's the way that God intended it. Although, He didn't intend for us to use sexual lust, its quite hard to touch to anything else.

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I am sorry but that is a myth that has been told through so many generations I didn't think that anyone believed it anymore. If there is a build up, your body will naturally get rid of it ie: wet dreams. Look it up if you want.

Breetai said:

I stopped for 2 months once...

lilbobby, I've heard all of that medical info before....but I've also heard that there is NO harm in NOT masturbating. To each there own.

I don't think that fishing rods, rapalas, and giant muskies do anything for me Secretdawn. haha


Little Johnny- "my mom found my stash of mags under my bed!"
Little Johnny's buddy- "which ones? the hustler or the penthouse?"
Little Johnny- "neither....the Fisherman Monthly!"
Little Johnny's ex-buddy- "dude, you're a freak!"

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That is the point, it doesn't do anything for you...try lusting when your looking at fat hairy men in rubber boots!

secretdawn said:

I am sorry but that is a myth that has been told through so many generations I didn't think that anyone believed it anymore. If there is a build up, your body will naturally get rid of it ie: wet dreams. Look it up if you want.

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So wet dreas are not a sin? So then, in your dream, when you consciously make the decision to "fornicate," that's not a sin? Unless a guy is a pre-ejaculater, it is only through contact within a dream that a guy will [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] and that contact is many times through a conscious choice within your dream.

here's an interesting quote from that site that I found:

I recently tried to quit masturbation and in the process I ended up sleeping with my girlfriend. While trying to quit I went so nuts that I lost my virginity with her. Regular masturbation had controlled my passion in the past when I was with her. I thought I was stronger and when I quit masturbating the passion got too strong.

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