lust

[livingone]

The world was forged in fire. Nature is a harlot. Lust is infernal desire--to not just seek pleasure of thought but of the flesh. It is the satisfied feasting of flesh.
How could lust be part of original sin? Sure, lust without committment is fornication and adultry; but lust with committment is called a part of love and beauty.
Lust into reality Christians. Why do you seek to depart the flesh so earnestly? Lust is a part of attraction. The desire between man and woman was born out of the fire, binding in marriage. Why do you listen to Jesus--to see the man and the woman without attraction?
None are given or taken in the great marriage? Why do you fall for the lies. Listen, you could destroy the mind and the body but you cannot destroy the human heart.
The human heart was born in the fire and attraction between opposite sexes was etched into the heart.
When a flower is pollenated, do you say that flower has committed sin?
Despisers of the body. Perish from this land. Your disease spreads throughout man.
When Adam and Eve fell into lust, what sin did they commit? Yea, I guess Jesus said love was a sin.

 

[Merlin]

Original sin was the eating of certain fruit.

 

[DoubtingThomas29]

Hello Everyone,

I have a question about your understanding of heaven, if you are over 18 feel free to answer, otherwise, please don't answer.

Okay suppose heaven exists, what do you think people do there all day? If sex is really meant to be only for reproduction, or between husband and wife, then are these people allowed to have sex? What if two people fall in love in heaven and want to have sex, and they are not married, but they do have the mind and body of people who are over 18 years of age. Suppose also they do not want the hassel of getting married, they just want to have sex with each other, do you think they can do that with each other? It is suppose to be heaven, so why couldn't they?

Sincerely,

Thomas

 

[livingone]

Original sin was the eating of certain fruit.

Not according to the church. Original sin was lust.

 

[livingone]

Hello Everyone,

I have a question about your understanding of heaven, if you are over 18 feel free to answer, otherwise, please don't answer.

Okay suppose heaven exists, what do you think people do there all day? If sex is really meant to be only for reproduction, or between husband and wife, then are these people allowed to have sex? What if two people fall in love in heaven and want to have sex, and they are not married, but they do have the mind and body of people who are over 18 years of age. Suppose also they do not want the hassel of getting married, they just want to have sex with each other, do you think they can do that with each other? It is suppose to be heaven, so why couldn't they?

Sincerely,

Thomas

Heaven is really hell. It is a barren place of desolation. Even Jesus describes it. When you see the man and the woman as not being man or woman then you will enter heaven. See, Heaven is hell for mankind. Look at what he does. He gives the church the keys to the kingdom. He says what you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven and what you unbind on earth shall be unbound in heaven. Look at what the church preaches--complete abstinance. Abstain from everything. You are filthy and unclean because you have genitals.

 

[Robbie_James_Francis]

livingone,

Not all Christians believe that the original sin was lust. As far as I am aware, the majority beleive that it was disobedience to God's command not to eat from the tree of knowledge of good or evil. Though some do seem to sexualise this, they are, as far as I can tell, distinctly a minority and there seems to be little biblical or orthodox Christian support for the idea that original sin was to do with sex.

I do, however, agree with you to an extent, that the conservative religious attitudes towards sexuality are highly negative, and categorise far too many natural urges as 'lustful' and hence immoral. Whilst I think sexual ethics is important, I think that is true only in personal terms of what the individuals involved find to be beneficial or harmful. Blanket condemnations of certain feelings and activities that cause no real harm are not only harmful and wrong, but highly ineffective.

Thomas,

I'm confused as to why only people over the age of 18 are, in your mind, mentally or physically sexual beings?

peace

 

[livingone]

livingone,

Not all Christians believe that the original sin was lust. As far as I am aware, the majority beleive that it was disobedience to God's command not to eat from the tree of knowledge of good or evil. Though some do seem to sexualise this, they are, as far as I can tell, distinctly a minority and there seems to be little biblical or orthodox Christian support for the idea that original sin was to do with sex.

I do, however, agree with you to an extent, that the conservative religious attitudes towards sexuality are highly negative, and categorise far too many natural urges as 'lustful' and hence immoral. Whilst I think sexual ethics is important, I think that is true only in personal terms of what the individuals involved find to be beneficial or harmful. Blanket condemnations of certain feelings and activities that cause no real harm are not only harmful and wrong, but highly ineffective.

Thomas,

I'm confused as to why only people over the age of 18 are, in your mind, mentally or physically sexual beings?

peace

Yes, I know. In scripture it says that sin is the transgression of the law. What was the first law that Adam and Eve broke? Thou shalt not eat from the tree of knowlege between good and evil.
But no one questions this. Is it wrong to have knowledge between good and evil? Does not purity come from this knowledge? What sin have I committed by knowing the difference between good and evil?

 

[Lifesaver]

There will be no sex in heaven, because there will be no more reproduction.
Needless to say, the delight of contemplating God's essence and communicating it with others will be infinitely superior to anything we can imagine now, even sex.

In the original state of Paradise (Adam and Eve), though, there was sex.

 

[livingone]

There will be no sex in heaven, because there will be no more reproduction.
Needless to say, the delight of contemplating God's essence and communicating it with others will be infinitely superior to anything we can imagine now, even sex.

In the original state of Paradise (Adam and Eve), though, there was sex.

No there will be sex in heaven. I don't want to get into the mechanics but as long as I have one I'm going to use it. If your Lord says differently, I will bash his head in with the book of his insanity.

 

[Merlin]

Not according to the church. Original sin was lust.

Well, I'm a Christian, and I follow the Bible, not "the church"

The Bible teaches otherwise.

 

[AWorkInProgress]

Original sin was the eating of certain fruit.

More specific orginal sin was disobedience.

Bible breaks down what lust is, so to commit it is to be disobedient.

 

[livingone]

More specific orginal sin was disobedience.

Bible breaks down what lust is, so to commit it is to be disobedient.

Wrong. To commit lust is just obeying nature. It is natural, not sinful to want to have sexual intercourse. People that believe lust is a sin are a disease to sexuality. Brothels were built on bricks of religion. The church has stigmatized sex throughout the ages. When you stigmatize something too much and call it tabboo, it will eventually run rampant throughout society. Lust was created beginning with Jesus Christ as he restrained sexual desire to the point it broke and formed all of the lust you see today in society. If you restrain something so strongly then there is going to be rebellion and rebellion will be huge.
I agree that fornication and adultry are sinful. But lust with committment is called a part of love. Only Christendom said such love was a sin.

 

[AWorkInProgress]

Wrong. To commit lust is just obeying nature. It is natural, not sinful to want to have sexual intercourse. People that believe lust is a sin are a disease to sexuality. Brothels were built on bricks of religion. The church has stigmatized sex throughout the ages. When you stigmatize something too much and call it tabboo, it will eventually run rampant throughout society. Lust was created beginning with Jesus Christ as he restrained sexual desire to the point it broke and formed all of the lust you see today in society. If you restrain something so strongly then there is going to be rebellion and rebellion will be huge.
I agree that fornication and adultry are sinful. But lust with committment is called a part of love. Only Christendom said such love was a sin.

Are you talking about biblical sins or way of nature. Only worship one master and hate the other.

Lust is sin, for its raw natural desire to crave the flesh. Biblical goes into saying difference between lust and love. Lust is not being content and craving more flesh where love is being content with partner chosen.

Since we are bible loving christians, lust is a sin and it is disobedience of god. If you favor nature, there are no sins but natural desires that can or cant be achieved by ablilities to get them.

 

[livingone]

Are you talking about biblical sins or way of nature. Only worship one master and hate the other.

Lust is sin, for its raw natural desire to crave the flesh. Biblical goes into saying difference between lust and love. Lust is not being content and craving more flesh where love is being content with partner chosen.

Since we are bible loving christians, lust is a sin and it is disobedience of god. If you favor nature, there are no sins but natural desires that can or cant be achieved by ablilities to get them.

In love, when you love someone else, you cannot crave their genitals unless you have lust in your genitals. That is a part of nature--that is how it works. I cannot crave the one I love, in the flesh, unless I crave their genitals--that is called lust; and such lust can be a part of love and is not sinful.
Look I agree that lust without committment is called fornication and adultry--that these are sinful. However, I will never say that if I crave the genitals of the one I love that I have sin. No matter how you look at such love, it still has lust in it. Lust is part of the desire of the flesh between man and woman. And even if your lord says, even if a man lusts after a woman he has committed adultry in his heart. Wrong. What is wrong with wanting to connect with your lover in every way imagineable; whether it be in mind, spirit or body. And even if your lord says that none are given or taken in the great marriage. He is wrong. Such love between a man and a woman was born out of the fire of the desire of the flesh. There is nothing unclean about it. Your lords' precious angels can only restrain desire they cannot cast it out entirely or in otherwords; you can destroy the mind and the body but you cannot destroy the human heart. The human heart was forged in fire and it's desire is infinite.

 

[AWorkInProgress]

In love, when you love someone else, you cannot crave their genitals unless you have lust in your genitals. That is a part of nature--that is how it works. I cannot crave the one I love, in the flesh, unless I crave their genitals--that is called lust; and such lust can be a part of love and is not sinful.
Look I agree that lust without committment is called fornication and adultry--that these are sinful. However, I will never say that if I crave the genitals of the one I love that I have sin. No matter how you look at such love, it still has lust in it. Lust is part of the desire of the flesh between man and woman. And even if your lord says, even if a man lusts after a woman he has committed adultry in his heart. Wrong. What is wrong with wanting to connect with your lover in every way imagineable; whether it be in mind, spirit or body. And even if your lord says that none are given or taken in the great marriage. He is wrong. Such love between a man and a woman was born out of the fire of the desire of the flesh. There is nothing unclean about it. Your lords' precious angels can only restrain desire they cannot cast it out entirely or in otherwords; you can destroy the mind and the body but you cannot destroy the human heart. The human heart was forged in fire and it's desire is infinite.

Yet again talking about apples and oranges.

In Nature desires usually are the master. Yes we are created with desires, hence why we consider sinners.

Biblical teaches to put God as the master and how to control these desires. How to turn a self focus(lust) into outward giving focus(love).

Difference between them is how we raise the children. Children learn to follow their desires to whatever extent to achieve them or is they taught to love others and how to serve with their gifts?

 

[Merlin]

Yet again talking about apples and oranges.

In Nature desires usually are the master. Yes we are created with desires, hence why we consider sinners.

No.
To have desires is not a sin.
Even Jesus had desires. He was tempted.
The sin is to act on those desires in a way which violates God's laws.

 

[livingone]

Yet again talking about apples and oranges.

In Nature desires usually are the master. Yes we are created with desires, hence why we consider sinners.

Biblical teaches to put God as the master and how to control these desires. How to turn a self focus(lust) into outward giving focus(love).

Difference between them is how we raise the children. Children learn to follow their desires to whatever extent to achieve them or is they taught to love others and how to serve with their gifts?

Why should I listen to the biblical teachings of the church when they use a book that was only created 300-400 years ago? Why should I take the things that the church teaches from the book as gold? I'm not that stupid, I have the capacity for critical thinking. Desire is not a sin. In catholicism, you forbidden to want and forbidden to desire. If you sneeze it is a sin.

 

[livingone]

No.
To have desires is not a sin.
Even Jesus had desires. He was tempted.
The sin is to act on those desires in a way which violates God's laws.

Yea, but who decides God's laws? I believe the decision is made by man. Whatever happened to judgement and measurement? If I measure or judge something that you believe is sin is not a sin then it is not a sin, according to my judgement or measurement. I can easily rationalize the things you take as granted as sins and then twist my perception to realize that they are not sins.

 

[AWorkInProgress]

No.
To have desires is not a sin.
Even Jesus had desires. He was tempted.
The sin is to act on those desires in a way which violates God's laws.

To have desires is not sinful, but the means that godless person goes about getting can easily lead to sin. Nature its about survival of the fittest, the aggressive use of force sets the rules. If you got kill another man for his woman or property, not much stopping them if no fear of conquences or lack of rational reasoning. Plenty of countries in Africa, South America and Middleeast can make my point.

 

[AWorkInProgress]

Yea, but who decides God's laws? I believe the decision is made by man. Whatever happened to judgement and measurement? If I measure or judge something that you believe is sin is not a sin then it is not a sin, according to my judgement or measurement. I can easily rationalize the things you take as granted as sins and then twist my perception to realize that they are not sins.

Well this is great reason for you start reading bible and hunting down where orginal Hebrew version came from and authors.