I would say that the "trying" is, indeed, an act that can be defined on a case by case basis. Our thoughts, wicked though they may be on occasion, are not sin until we act on them.
Well that's sort of the point. If she became his wife (when she was already married to another man), then it would be actual adultery, whereas trying to make her his wife (when she already belonged to another) constitutes covetousness, which, by Christ's standard, is adultery by intent. It's been said that you shall not commit adultery, but if a man covet's another man's wife, then he has committed adultery in his heart. That's the whole point of the teaching.Probably not a single action, but a whole bunch of acts that add up to really trying?
Any ideas about how we know it is really enough to constitute ACTUAL COVETING?
Would that not have to be "proven" by the woman involved actually becoming his wife?
Now becoming his WIFE constitutes adultery?Well that's sort of the point. If she became his wife (when she was already married to another man), then it would be actual adultery, whereas trying to make her his wife (when she already belonged to another) constitutes covetousness, which, by Christ's standard, is adultery by intent. It's been said that you shall not commit adultery, but if a man covet's another man's wife, then he has committed adultery in his heart. That's the whole point of the teaching.
The exact relation does not yet seem fully clear (to me, if I can be personal?).You shall not commit adultery. But neither shall you covet your neighbor's wife. And in the case of this teaching, he's explaining that the two are related.
Seriously ... it's difficult to have a conversation if your counterpart isn't going to read what you write.Now becoming his WIFE constitutes adultery?
I never heard this strange idea before.
A question comes to mind, would that be the case if the marriage was never consumated?
Two different things. Two different commandments. But when the coveting is of your neighbor's wife, then the act of coveting becomes adultery by extension via intent. You intend to take the woman that belongs to your neighbor, and so it becomes adultery "in your heart." That is the lesson Jesus is teaching.The exact relation does not yet seem fully clear (to me, if I can be personal?).
SO, the coveting is "adultery in the heart."
THAT IS THE RELATION, right?
Which does NOT mean it is adultery - it is still coveting, right?
2 DIFFERENT THINGS - 2 DIFFERENT COMMANDMENTS.
What else can be said of the relation between adultery and coveting the neighbor's wife?
I agree very much with the first point.Seriously ... it's difficult to have a conversation if your counterpart isn't going to read what you write.
Becoming his wife when she's already married to someone else.
Two different things. Two different commandments. But when the coveting is of your neighbor's wife, then the act of coveting becomes adultery by extension via intent. You intend to take the woman that belongs to your neighbor, and so it becomes adultery "in your heart." That is the lesson Jesus is teaching.
IF this is addressed to me, you might at least TRY to complete your sentence,Sorry dude. I'm being plenty clear. If you can't understand the simplicity of what I'm saying, then I don't know what else to tell you. I'm out of patience with this.
I said: "If she became his wife (when she was already married to another man), then it would be actual adultery, whereas trying to make her his wife (when she already belonged to another) constitutes covetousness, which, by Christ's standard, is adultery by intent."IF this is addressed to me, you might at least TRY to complete your sentence,
"Becoming his wife when she's already married to someone else."
You "don't know what else to tell me"? Meaning you could not possibly make that a more complete sentence so I could begin to understand what claim is being made?
Someone please tell me where I can find someone who wants to have a serious dialogue and tackle difficult questions.
It helped, thanks.I clarified in response to your question: "Becoming his wife when she's already married to someone else," as was stated in the previous post above.
Did that answer your question?
"The effort is equal to the act" in the sense that the effort (coveting) is like unto actual adultery in that BOTH ARE TRANSGRESSIONS OF ONE OF THE TEN COMMANDMENTS OF GOD? Is that not correct, on your terms at least?Ergo, what Jesus is saying concerning adultery is that while the law says, “you shall not commit adultery,” if you try to take her, the attempt makes you just as guilty. The effort is equal to the act, whether you succeed or not. Thus, it’s not the surreptitious look or the sexual thought that’s the problem, but the witty joke or inappropriate touch with the motive of eliciting a reciprocated attraction. In other words, it has nothing to do with them inadvertently attracting your attention, but about you deliberately attracting theirs to win their affection. That is what it is to covet your neighbor’s spouse, boyfriend, or girlfriend.
ITS NOTHING ABOUT YOUR "ATHEISM" - totally off topic to personally attack that way.
What's wrong about it? Your saying it's wrong or "totally wrong" don't make it so. It clearly says "hath committed," does it not?
The truth again? What truth you think I need to see again is not indicated; #27 seems to be saying (much) evil comes from the heart.You've been told several times. See post #27 to see the truth again.
I think you are getting what I'm saying."The effort is equal to the act" in the sense that the effort (coveting) is like unto actual adultery in that BOTH ARE TRANSGRESSIONS OF ONE OF THE TEN COMMANDMENTS OF GOD? Is that not correct, on your terms at least?
Not that the effort of coveting is to be somehow or somewhat identified as adultery, as you seem to suggest (if I am not mistaken in that).
It's not that the one is the other, but there are two distinct prohibitions both of which are considered very serious by God, and transgressions (presumably) similarly punished by a righteous God.
And based on what Jesus said, the act of coveting (a neighbor's wife) can be correctly characterized as "adultery in one's heart." Correct?
If the "effort is equal to the act," does not the effort have to arise to a pretty hearty level? A witty joke? Even if there were a whole bunch of such jokes, and she displayed or at least held some affection for the guy on the basis of such, does that make it coveting? Does he not have to be trying to make her become his wife, not merely that she come to have friendly feelings toward him?
You might want to go back and read the thread. There have been some discussions on this, and on what it is that's actually being said.Simply, if someone looks at a person and lusts after her then he's committed adultery, it's just that. This doesn't even have to mean he wants to take him/her to be their spouse, but having a conscious sexual thought about them is just as good as the act of adultery.
You might want to go back and read the thread. There have been some discussions on this, and on what it is that's actually being said.
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Actually, a First century married Jewish man could commit all the adultery he wanted, even fornication, incest(1COR.5:1-5) and homosexuality, because Roman Law was in force then, not Moses Law. Roman Law permitted adultery, fornication, incest, homosexuality, prostitution, etc.
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