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So I just watched War Room again with my husband. I love that movie so much. It always gets me thinking about where I am as a Christian: cold, lukewarm, or hot. For me it is hard to say. God is always on my mind and heart. I am praying and want my life to constantly please Him. But I never seem to feel like I am doing enough for God.

So I wonder what makes a Christian a "hot" Christian and not "lukewarm."

And I am curious where y'all think ya'll fall on this spectrum...I don't think there is a yard stick to measure our faith, but I also don't think our Christian walk can be based on intention. I asked someone before about this, and they said they see me as an on fire Christian, but I can focus on what I do wrong more then I do right sometimes. Anyone feel this way? I want my life to be pleasing to God and don't just want the Christian title.


“‘I know your works: you are neither cold nor hot. Would that you were either cold or hot! So, because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of my mouth. Revelation 3:14-15
 

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So I just watched War Room again with my husband. I love that movie so much. It always gets me thinking about where I am as a Christian: cold, lukewarm, or hot. For me it is hard to say. God is always on my mind and heart. I am praying and want my life to constantly please Him. But I never seem to feel like I am doing enough for God.

So I wonder what makes a Christian a "hot" Christian and not "lukewarm."

And I am curious where y'all think ya'll fall on this spectrum...I don't think there is a yard stick to measure our faith, but I also don't think our Christian walk can be based on intention. I asked someone before about this, and they said they see me as an on fire Christian, but I can focus on what I do wrong more then I do right sometimes. Anyone feel this way? I want my life to be pleasing to God and don't just want the Christian title.


“‘I know your works: you are neither cold nor hot. Would that you were either cold or hot! So, because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of my mouth. Revelation 3:14-15

Technically, what your speaking about, was written to a Church, "the Church in Laodicea" the comment made is understood to mean, that as a church an outreach to the people of the surrounding region, they were falling short, they had not life in them as a people.

It was the Church itself that was being Judged, as a Body of Believers, sure we could take these words and apply them to ourselves, but are we being honest when we apply it to ourselves, do we judge as Jesus is Judging the Church, or do we just say, I'm not doing enough, I need to do more, I don't read Pray, worship enough.

Then we do, and we feel better about ourselves for awhile, until we run into that same guilt feeling.

Our human nature will continually condemn us and our actions, God will CONVICT us when we need the conviction to get us to move, that is what the Holy Spirit does in our lives.

There is also an accuser, he does a good job too.

It appears as though you are reevaluating things, and that is a good thing to do.
 
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So I just watched War Room again with my husband. I love that movie so much. It always gets me thinking about where I am as a Christian: cold, lukewarm, or hot. For me it is hard to say. God is always on my mind and heart. I am praying and want my life to constantly please Him. But I never seem to feel like I am doing enough for God. So I wonder what makes a Christian a "hot" Christian and not "lukewarm." And I am curious where y'all think ya'll fall on this spectrum...I don't think there is a yard stick to measure our faith, but I also don't think our Christian walk can be based on intention. I asked someone before about this, and they said they see me as an on fire Christian, but I can focus on what I do wrong more then I do right sometimes. Anyone feel this way? I want my life to be pleasing to God and don't just want the Christian title. “‘I know your works: you are neither cold nor hot. Would that you were either cold or hot! So, because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of my mouth. Revelation 3:14-15
A life led by the Holy Spirit would qualify, in my opinion, as being on fire for the Lord. The Apostle Paul said, "for this reason I remind you to fan into flame the gift of God which is in you...". Godly character and good deeds are a result of such pious inner life. My prayers for your baby (boy or girl?). Peace in Christ :).
 
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I kept God in my closet and pulled Him out when I needed something and Sunday if I was not busy ,many years. Then my brother that I was raising his kids, because he was off deep in the world of sin, had aneurysm. We spoke maybe once every 3 or 4 years. He had 3 strokes during this and almost died that night. I went out and prayed this , "if You Dear Lord can use this as a miracle for our family let him live but if not do not let him suffer ." He answered that prayer and I went to see him and when he told me of seeing a bright light and was sent back my life changed. I have 16 pages of that time but when you are hot and not luke warm for God it looks very different. That was 8 years ago and I listen to nothing but Christian music , was a rock n roller before. I read the Bible everyday, I pray maybe 6 times a day. Before this I sought answers from humans now I ask Him and He answers and even showed me humans get it wrong even Pastors. So to truly love God with all your heart to be in love with Him , everything changes.
 
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There is a fairly good thread on that over on the GT board if your interested

What is lukewarm?

Rev 3:16 for those who missed the memo.

When I read the text I see warm/cold water contrasted with lukewarm. Warm/cold being good and desirable and lukewarm being bad and undesirable.

What I don't see is the temperature of water a scale of our passion, cold being no belief, lukewarm wishy-washy and hot being "on fire for Jesus".

Do we really want to believe that God desires unbelief over the struggling Christian? What a horrible picture of God that reveals. Be perfect or don't come at all. Completely counter-gospel.

The letter is written to the 7th Assembly in Revelation, and according to this commentator, it is the most deplorable of the 7 Assemblies:

Kindgdom Bible Studies Revelation Series

“And by the Messengerof the Assembly in Laodicia write!…” (Rev. 3:14).

The seventh and final church is the church in Laodicea. It is the most deplorable of the seven, representing the very worst spiritual condition a church can come to. Therefore, it also presents the greatest challenges to the overcoming elect, for the spiritual conditions within the churches are the very things we are called upon to overcome! The promise to the overcomer in this church is the greatest of all the promises! Therefore Laodicea represents both the lowest and the highest realms of experience in the Lord’s people................

But to be “cold” — what is that? Does it denote a state of corruption, wickedness, sin, such as characterizes the world of unbelievers? We cannot so regard it! It would be absurd and repulsive to represent the Lord as wishing under any circumstances that persons should be in such a condition, preferable to at least some knowledge and experience of Christ. Yet He says, “I would thou wert cold or hot.” No state can be more offensive to the Spirit of holiness than that of the sinner in open rebellion, unbelief, and a heart filled with every evil. David said of the Lord, “For thou art not a God that hath pleasure in wickedness: neither shall evil dwell with thee.” What David was declaring is that sinners will never be “tasty” to the Lord! Nor will they ever be in His mouth to be cold, lukewarm, or hot, for evil will not dwell with Him in any way. What about believers who have had experiences with the Lord but left Him for the pleasures of sin? Can this be the cold that could be a tasty drink to the Lord? The writer to the Hebrews stated that “the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.” It is therefore incorrect to represent the Lord as preferring that condition to any position which His people can occupy while they are still counted as His. Furthermore, the threat of rejection is because they are neither cold nor hot! It is as much as to say that if they were either cold or hot, they would be accepted of Him in a place of blessing and honor. But if by cold is meant a state of open worldly unbelief or wickedness, they certainly would not be welcomed into the highest purposes of the kingdom! Hence such cannot be its meaning.



It is my deep conviction that by this language our Lord has no reference whatever to those outside His body, but that He refers to three spiritual planes or conditions, two of which are more acceptable to Him than the third. Heat and cold are preferable to lukewarmness! But what kind of spiritual state is denoted by the term “cold”? The Lord points out that cold and hot drinks have a tastiness to them. Cold and hot drinks are something we prefer much more than something lukewarm! Cold and hot, to be true to the Spirit’s analogy, must both be something “tasty” to the Lord and something to be desired. Obviously a saint cannot be both at the same time! But, as a drink of tea may be cold in summer time and hot in winter, so can a child of God be cold or hot at different points in their walk in Christ! A person can be hungry or full, but not at the same time; yet, he can be both, and both are commended by the Lord! A tree may be covered with leaves and loaded with fruit in the summer season, and then be barren, stark, and cold in the winter; but in either season the tree has life in it and is faithfully fulfilling its necessary role in the cycles of its purpose. The owner of the orchard is just as pleased with the barren tree in winter as he is with the fruitful tree in summer!



Let us meditate further on the tree at winter time. The cold tree does not have much value or outward fruitfulness in this season. It cannot serve even as a break against the cold north winds! It offers no shade from the sun, nor any fruit to the hungry. It is the very picture of bleakness, leanness, and desolation as it faces the tribulations of winter. Its life has sunk very deep within as it is buffeted by the cold winds, rain, ice, and snow. And yet, this state is necessary to the survival of the tree! It is like sleep for a human, a time of rest, recuperation, strengthening, and preparation for the season of fruit bearing when it shall become bread to the hungry, shade to the distressed, moisture to the atmosphere, and the joy of the whole earth!.........
 
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There is a fairly good thread on that over on the GT board if your interested

What is lukewarm?



The letter is written to the 7th Assembly in Revelation, and according to this commentator, it is the most deplorable of the 7 Assemblies:

Kindgdom Bible Studies Revelation Series

“And by the Messengerof the Assembly in Laodicia write!…” (Rev. 3:14).

The seventh and final church is the church in Laodicea. It is the most deplorable of the seven, representing the very worst spiritual condition a church can come to. Therefore, it also presents the greatest challenges to the overcoming elect, for the spiritual conditions within the churches are the very things we are called upon to overcome! The promise to the overcomer in this church is the greatest of all the promises! Therefore Laodicea represents both the lowest and the highest realms of experience in the Lord’s people................

But to be “cold” — what is that? Does it denote a state of corruption, wickedness, sin, such as characterizes the world of unbelievers? We cannot so regard it! It would be absurd and repulsive to represent the Lord as wishing under any circumstances that persons should be in such a condition, preferable to at least some knowledge and experience of Christ. Yet He says, “I would thou wert cold or hot.” No state can be more offensive to the Spirit of holiness than that of the sinner in open rebellion, unbelief, and a heart filled with every evil. David said of the Lord, “For thou art not a God that hath pleasure in wickedness: neither shall evil dwell with thee.” What David was declaring is that sinners will never be “tasty” to the Lord! Nor will they ever be in His mouth to be cold, lukewarm, or hot, for evil will not dwell with Him in any way. What about believers who have had experiences with the Lord but left Him for the pleasures of sin? Can this be the cold that could be a tasty drink to the Lord? The writer to the Hebrews stated that “the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.” It is therefore incorrect to represent the Lord as preferring that condition to any position which His people can occupy while they are still counted as His. Furthermore, the threat of rejection is because they are neither cold nor hot! It is as much as to say that if they were either cold or hot, they would be accepted of Him in a place of blessing and honor. But if by cold is meant a state of open worldly unbelief or wickedness, they certainly would not be welcomed into the highest purposes of the kingdom! Hence such cannot be its meaning.



It is my deep conviction that by this language our Lord has no reference whatever to those outside His body, but that He refers to three spiritual planes or conditions, two of which are more acceptable to Him than the third. Heat and cold are preferable to lukewarmness! But what kind of spiritual state is denoted by the term “cold”? The Lord points out that cold and hot drinks have a tastiness to them. Cold and hot drinks are something we prefer much more than something lukewarm! Cold and hot, to be true to the Spirit’s analogy, must both be something “tasty” to the Lord and something to be desired. Obviously a saint cannot be both at the same time! But, as a drink of tea may be cold in summer time and hot in winter, so can a child of God be cold or hot at different points in their walk in Christ! A person can be hungry or full, but not at the same time; yet, he can be both, and both are commended by the Lord! A tree may be covered with leaves and loaded with fruit in the summer season, and then be barren, stark, and cold in the winter; but in either season the tree has life in it and is faithfully fulfilling its necessary role in the cycles of its purpose. The owner of the orchard is just as pleased with the barren tree in winter as he is with the fruitful tree in summer!



Let us meditate further on the tree at winter time. The cold tree does not have much value or outward fruitfulness in this season. It cannot serve even as a break against the cold north winds! It offers no shade from the sun, nor any fruit to the hungry. It is the very picture of bleakness, leanness, and desolation as it faces the tribulations of winter. Its life has sunk very deep within as it is buffeted by the cold winds, rain, ice, and snow. And yet, this state is necessary to the survival of the tree! It is like sleep for a human, a time of rest, recuperation, strengthening, and preparation for the season of fruit bearing when it shall become bread to the hungry, shade to the distressed, moisture to the atmosphere, and the joy of the whole earth!



Thus, the cold relates to those seasons of testing, trial, tribulation, stripping, purging, pruning, and chastening under the hand of our Father. Just as the tree stands enduring the winter, so we stand enduring our winter times. In these cold or winter experiences we feel sometimes as though God has forsaken us, the heavens become brass, and joy and blessing flee the soul. This is what the mystics have referred to as “the dark night of the soul.” It is a time of dryness, leanness, testing, and darkness in which we learn what it means to walk by faith and not by sight. Eventually we discover that there is great purpose in these distressing seasons, and great and wonderful lessons are learned there that can be learned in no other way! The very hand of God leads us through this valley of the shadow of death until there is raised up in us the understanding, wisdom, faith, power, and nature of the Lord. Then we are able to appreciate all the more the greatness of our God and His faithfulness, power, and purpose in all things! THIS, MY BELOVED, IS THE COLD IN WHICH OUR FATHER REJOICES! Either cold or hot, stripped and tested or blessed and fruitful, He delights in our way. It is only the tepid lukewarm that He loathes!

I agree that cold is still a desirable state but I'm hesitant to comment on it much further than that as the text doesn't give us any hints to its specific spiritual condition or direction. To me there are not 3 choices but rather it is binary with hot/cold on one side and lukewarm on the other side, or as your commentator said essentially tasty and not tasty or pleasurable or not pleasurable.

As others have suggested I really do think this is a comment on the hot water of Heropolis and cold water of Corinth, both pleasurable and both fruitful in their unique ways with the city of Laodicea sitting in between the two. Laodicea overcame great difficulty from a natural disaster by their own power and resources denying outside aid (historical fact) so they were a great city but their water was aqueduct fed and by the time it reached them it was warm and minerally tasting which although can't fully be confirmed is based on sound evidence. So Laodicea was a great city but they had bad tasting water which is a slight on their greatness. Jesus is exposing the city with a cracked foundation saying it doesn't matter how great you think you are, you have bad tasting water and because of that I reject you. So Jesus said they have missed the point and lost focus on him and the product of such is this bad taste. It is a message that we need to rely on God's power for salvation not our own

If I would apply this for today it would possibly be two things. 1) the phenomenon of the mega-church that is so powerful they no longer need God or 2) replacing the head of the church (Christ) with another power sitting at it's head, very powerful and rich in wealth and tradition. (I won't be specific but I'll let you fill in the blanks)

But as to what cold and hot are I cannot say only that they are both indiscriminately desirable in the text and I can conceive of both having equally beneficial qualities to them while at the same time relate to the bad taste of that which is lukewarm. The context of desirably seems to be taste and if you asked 100 people which is better cold/hot/lukewarm you'd probably get an insignificant difference between hot/cold with a significant difference of lukewarm as less desirable.
 
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