That is what I thought was the common interpretation of "god-breathed", which is the literal meaning of the word inspiration in koine greek.
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Philip said:"God-breathed" and "God-worded" are not the same.
As for the meaning of theopneustos, let's not get too literal. Certainly you don't think that every compound word is to be understood it terms of the literal meaning of its component words. After all, a skyscraper does not actually scrape the sky.
Philip said:I am stating that Scripture was writen by men under the guidence of the Holy Spirit. The athors actively particpated in the writing. They were not taking dictation.
Debi said:They actively participated by following the lead of the Holy Spirit. I think God is capable of directing the men as to exactly how and what words he wanted used to give us the knowledge he wanted us to have regarding sin, salvation, eternal life, etc etc etc.
I believe it was written by direct inspiration of the Holy Spirit and is/was not open for private interpretation. Which is what scriptures state. The men that translated it was guided by the holy spirit and directed as to which words should be used and where.
Debi
Philo said:Which translation do you prefer? Also, are you aware of the term "tautology"?
Debi said:I believe it was written by direct inspiration of the Holy Spirit and is/was not open for private interpretation. Which is what scriptures state.
The men that translated it was guided by the holy spirit and directed as to which words should be used and where.
Debi said:I read the KJV and the Amplified Bible.
Philip said:Could you explain what you mean by "direct inspiration"? How would that compare to indirect inspiration?
What I mean is that the Spirit of God spoke to them and instructed the writers what to write and spoke to the translators and guided them to what words should be used where.
Is there any Scriptural basis for this claim? Also, were all translators equally guided?
If you are referring to translators today, none have been guided by God, they are guided by their own sins to prove a doctrine or religion. 2 tim 3:16 and 2 Peter 1:20 To say that God's word may be in error because man is fallible and make errors is to say that Man is more power than God and God is incapable to preserve the Written Word for His children. Man cannot thwart the will of God. God has a plan and man can not divert that plan. God is soveriegn, not man.
Do you consider the amplifications inspired as well?
No it is not, I just use it as a reference tool because many of the scriptures has the Greek and Hebrew words translated into the text to give man a better understand of God's word. There are many scriptures that do not line up with the KJV, yet the Amplified is a much better translation as the others because it does give the translation of some words from the Greek and the Hebrew. It is not grear towards any "religious" doctrine. But many problably don't know that because they do not look the words up in the strongs, lexicon or the Vines and apply the words as they our defined to the Kings English. Not all the words in the "Kings English" mean the same as in the Greek or Hebrew.
Debi said:What I mean is that the Spirit of God spoke to them and instructed the writers what to write
and spoke to the translators and guided them to what words should be used where....If you are referring to translators today, none have been guided by God, they are guided by their own sins to prove a doctrine or religion.
To say that God's word may be in error because man is fallible and make errors is to say that Man is more power than God and God is incapable to preserve the Written Word for His children.
Debi said:It is not grear towards any "religious" doctrine.
Debi said:I believe it was written by direct inspiration of the Holy Spirit and is/was not open for private interpretation. Which is what scriptures state. The men that translated it was guided by the holy spirit and directed as to which words should be used and where.
Debi
Aaron11 said:Is this your private interpretation?[/QUOTE
No. It is the Written Word.. " It is not open for private interpertation" from anyone.
What does "it is not open to private interpertation mean to you?" anyone can say the scripture means what they want it to mean?
Aaron11 said:Debi,
I'm sorry for exposing the mistake in your reasoning. Come back.
Debi said:Aaron11 said:Is this your private interpretation?[/QUOTE
No. It is the Written Word.. " It is not open for private interpertation" from anyone.
What does "it is not open to private interpertation mean to you?" anyone can say the scripture means what they want it to mean?
Here is the deal Debi. You say that the word says that it is not open to private interpretation. I have read the bible and continue to read the bible and have never understood it to say anything of the sort. Your interpretation of the scriptures is that there is no allowance for interpretation. Kind of ironic wouldn't you say?
If you still aren't getting it, here it is more obviously. You are interpreting the scriptures and saying that your interpretation is the right one and anyone else's interpretations are "private interpretations". What you are missing, is that everyone's interpretations, are interpretations.
Aaron11 said:You say that the word says that it is not open to private interpretation. I have read the bible and continue to read the bible and have never understood it to say anything of the sort.
2 Peter 1:20 knowing this first, that NO PROPHECY OF THE SCRIPTURES IS OF ANY PRIVATE INTERPRETATION..
V.21 for the prophecy came not in oldtime by the will of man; but holy men of God spake us they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
I assume you do defined the words within the scripture according to the language it was written ( like using a Strongs or Vine's Expository)? Private does means "one's own interpertation" correct?. The only interpertation that I have concluded is one that is defined by the words in the scriptures. It is like reading the Little Red Riding Hood, if you understand the meaning of each word as it is given, the story will always have the same foundation and conclusion. Now, I am not sure, but I have not heard of anyone reading "The Little Red Riding Hood and state that the Wolf triumph over the little girl?" Do you understand now?
If you still aren't getting it, here it is more obviously. You are interpreting the scriptures and saying that your interpretation is the right one and anyone else's interpretations are "private interpretations". What you are missing, is that everyone's interpretations, are interpretations. Aaron, what you are missing is that it is not my interpretation. It is the defining of the words that gives the understanding to the scriputures and the text.
Debi said:Aaron, Do you really believe God is giving more "revelation" knowledge from his word? Do you really believe that God's intention is to have man so confused as to what The Written Word states that it would development as many "religions" and "interpertations" of the Written Word.?
I don't see how if you study the words, using study tools that are given as a foundation for our understanding the words, usage and history how you can be lead to a different interpetation of scripture.
Which proves my point. People want to believe that "mystically and magically" God is revealing His word. It has been revealed. You sig states we should hold firm to the traditions of the gospel that we have been taught by Paul. Not the further revelation of Gods word will come to us.Philip said:Scripture itself says their is more to God's revelation than what is written. For example, see my sig.
Look around. There are countless denominations, each with its own interpretation, each claiming to be correct, each contradicting the other.
Debi said:Which proves my point. People want to believe that "mystically and magically" God is revealing His word. Many are not relying on the tools given to us to study the word of God and get the understanding God is presenting to us. Many are claiming to be "special messengers of God". I think you would agree that Paul was a "special Messenger" and we are warned in the word of false prophets and teachers. Hosea 4: 6 states " My people are destoryed for lack of knowledge." All has been revealed in the Written Word except for the details of the second coming and a few other things. He has keep them secret just as He keep the church a mystery, unrevealed, to the OT prophets. Even for those that will be here during the time the anti christ is in full power, He has told them what to expect.
You sig is in accordance with the scripture What Paul tells us about following false gospels.
( Standfast and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, ( by Paul) whether by word ( his speaking) or by epistle ( letters written to the church) ..................... No further revelation given there. It does not state anything about further revelation of God's written word.
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