Luke 22:16

[william jay schroeder]

", For I say to you, I will no longer eat of IT utill IT is fulfilled in the kingdom of God " What is It that is refered. I believe it is the passover. Does this change the idea of what the lords supper is meant to be. Also in verse 17,18 he says I will not drink of the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes. So the first part, verse 16 would refer to the bread and the second part verse 18 would refer to the wine. After this he speaks of the bread first and then after they eat, the wine, but he doesnt say after the wine to do this in remembrence of him. So does the bread represent the body of Christ and the passover and the blood represent the blood of Christ and the fruit of the vine and do the two, the blood and the fruit of the vine, represent the new covenant. Or do the two, being his body and blood, represent the new covenant. With all this said, does this say that the act of the lords supper isnt a act to repeat but was used to show the desciples his over all plan. Which they later figured out on his death on the cross. I mainly want to know the first part of my question the it and hhow it deals with the fulfilled in the kingdom of God

 

[visionary]

One thing is for sure... He will be eating with us at the Lord's Supper...Marriage Supper.

Revelation 19:9
And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

 

[Dad Ernie]

", For I say to you, I will no longer eat of IT utill IT is fulfilled in the kingdom of God " What is It that is refered.

Greetings WJS,

Have you ever considered that the "Kingdom of God" has a definition? Without going into a lot of verses at the moment, it is: "Where the presence of God is OR is manifested." That's why Jesus could say: "The Kingdom of God has come among you", or that "the Kingdom of God is in you".

Once the Holy Spirit came at Pentecost, the "Kingdom of God" was manifested in the persons and lives of the Lord's disciples. It was taken from the Jews and sent to the Gentiles where a "great light" had shown to reveal the Gospel of Jesus Christ to them.

When we are "filled with the Holy Ghost", we are partaking of the Lord's flesh (His Word) and His blood (His Spirit).

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

 

[william jay schroeder]

Greetings WJS,

Have you ever considered that the "Kingdom of God" has a definition? Without going into a lot of verses at the moment, it is: "Where the presence of God is OR is manifested." That's why Jesus could say: "The Kingdom of God has come among you", or that "the Kingdom of God is in you".

Once the Holy Spirit came at Pentecost, the "Kingdom of God" was manifested in the persons and lives of the Lord's disciples. It was taken from the Jews and sent to the Gentiles where a "great light" had shown to reveal the Gospel of Jesus Christ to them.

When we are "filled with the Holy Ghost", we are partaking of the Lord's flesh (His Word) and His blood (His Spirit).

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

So do you believe this to be an illistration of what you say and not a command to do communion as a ordance for the Church. I dont believe that Christ insistuted communion has something the Church must do. But that it is as you say His Word and his Spirit.

 

[Dad Ernie]

So do you believe this to be an illistration of what you say and not a command to do communion as a ordance for the Church. I dont believe that Christ insistuted communion has something the Church must do. But that it is as you say His Word and his Spirit.

Greetings WJS,

I think Paul clarifies the issue here:

1 Cor 11:17-22 Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse. 18 For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. 19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. 20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper. 21 For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. 22 What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not.

Not satisfied with that? How about considering the following:

Acts 6:2 Then the twelve called the multitude of the disciples unto them, and said, It is not reason that we should leave the word of God, and serve tables.

It was a custom of the churches to share in meals or perhaps just to munch on some bread and drink a little wine. People began to abuse this and were not thinking of one another when they partook of the Lord's supper. Thus Paul had to clarify.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

 

[johnd]

I must confess the Church threw the baby out with the bathwater on many Hebrew ordinances and feasts God stipulated in his word and through his prophets. The Covenants changed. God did not. His intentions did not.

And what man removes that God put in place, the void is instantly filled with something from the devil (though man thinks it's his idea and for the good of all) namely: religion.

The Lord's supper is Passover. Attend one (especially a Mesianic one) and you will see that it is all about Jesus. "This is my body..." "This is my blood..." i.e. Jesus is the Passover Lamb, the middle piece of unleavened bread (Christian communion has no idea what "the middle piece" even means... )

Holding up the matzoh (unleavened bread) you can do a Bible lesson on Isaiah 53 and Psalm 22 "he was bruised for our iniquity" the burnt marks on the matzoh look like bruises, there are grill marks on it "by his stripes we are healed" the matzoh is poked with a fork or sharp instrument to keep it from rising leaving holes. "they pierced my hands and feet" and in Zechariah "they will mourn for him whom they have pierced..."

That middle piece of matzoh is broken in half (half is wrapped and hidden) Jesus's body was broken for our sins. It was wrapped in grave clothes and placed in a tomb.

Children later hunt for the piece of wrapped matzoh and get a prize.

"Unless you become as little children you cannot enter the kingdom of Heaven."

This piece (the affikhomen; a greek word the Jews to this day cannot figure out how it got into even the Orthodox Passover Seder) is then broken and partaken of by the entire congregation (like the crackers in communion).

There are four cups of wine at the Passover Seder:

"1. I will bring you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians, and 2. I will rid you from under their bondage and 3. I will redeem you with a stretched out arm and with great judgments: and 4. I will take you to Me for a people and I will be to you a God."

The four cups at the Seder represent the four expressions of redemption--bring, deliver, redeem and take.

The first cup is called the cup of sanctification;
the second, the cup of judgment;
the third, the cup of redemption;
and the fourth, the cup of the kingdom.

Jesus drank the third cup and said he would not drink the fourth until that cup is fulfilled. So, it was an incomplete Seder but marking the Seder's actual fulfillment (by him the Messiah that was to come) through the third cup.


Get a book on the Passover (Haggadah).

 

[william jay schroeder]

I must confess the Church threw the baby out with the bathwater on many Hebrew ordinances and feasts God stipulated in his word and through his prophets. The Covenants changed. God did not. His intentions did not.

And what man removes that God put in place, the void is instantly filled with something from the devil (though man thinks it's his idea and for the good of all) namely: religion.

The Lord's supper is Passover. Attend one (especially a Mesianic one) and you will see that it is all about Jesus. "This is my body..." "This is my blood..." i.e. Jesus is the Passover Lamb, the middle piece of unleavened bread (Christian communion has no idea what "the middle piece" even means... )

Holding up the matzoh (unleavened bread) you can do a Bible lesson on Isaiah 53 and Psalm 22 "he was bruised for our iniquity" the burnt marks on the matzoh look like bruises, there are grill marks on it "by his stripes we are healed" the matzoh is poked with a fork or sharp instrument to keep it from rising leaving holes. "they pierced my hands and feet" and in Zechariah "they will mourn for him whom they have pierced..."

That middle piece of matzoh is broken in half (half is wrapped and hidden) Jesus's body was broken for our sins. It was wrapped in grave clothes and placed in a tomb.

Children later hunt for the piece of wrapped matzoh and get a prize.

"Unless you become as little children you cannot enter the kingdom of Heaven."

This piece (the affikhomen; a greek word the Jews to this day cannot figure out how it got into even the Orthodox Passover Seder) is then broken and partaken of by the entire congregation (like the crackers in communion).

There are four cups of wine at the Passover Seder:

"1. I will bring you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians, and 2. I will rid you from under their bondage and 3. I will redeem you with a stretched out arm and with great judgments: and 4. I will take you to Me for a people and I will be to you a God."

The four cups at the Seder represent the four expressions of redemption--bring, deliver, redeem and take.

The first cup is called the cup of sanctification;
the second, the cup of judgment;
the third, the cup of redemption;
and the fourth, the cup of the kingdom.

Jesus drank the third cup and said he would not drink the fourth until that cup is fulfilled. So, it was an incomplete Seder but marking the Seder's actual fulfillment (by him the Messiah that was to come) through the third cup.


Get a book on the Passover (Haggadah).

Do you not believe the communion is a command. Either way your post was very good thank you. I dont believe it is. But dont see it as bad or wrong to do, if done in a proper way, and understood how you show.

 

[johnd]

Do you not believe the communion is a command.

I rather think of it as the definition of Passover when Jesus said "do it in rememberance of me."

Either way your post was very good thank you.

Thank you.

I dont believe it is. But dont see it as bad or wrong to do, if done in a proper way, and understood how you show.

Agreed.

God bless.