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Seriously, if, in fact, it is truly speaking of a hell fire do you really, really thing a drop of water off Avraham's finger is going to quench his thirst or be of any comfort? Would even a full bowl of water do the trick? I don't think so...
The rich guy could always use a pole vaultMaybe ya should tell the rich guy that since he ask for water. Then ole "Avraham", whoever he is said they couldn't cross the ditch.
There was a site I found sometime years ago that felt Lazarus is the one being spoken of as "the other Disciple" in John, and I created a thread on it.This is getting closer to the hidden Egyptian connection within the Gospel story of Lazarus. "Lazarus" is a cognate of Eliezer and both refer to ancient Hebrews combining their Canaanite God Most High with the Egyptian highest god, Osiris, which in Egyptian is Asar or Asir, hence you get EL + Asar or Eliezer in Hebrew or Lazarus, "EL" + Osiris (Greek). Lazarus in the story is masking the Jewish religious war against Egypt by elevating the Jewish most high god, EL, Abraham's god, over Osiris, Egypt's highest god who in the story is moribund and needing EL's superior healing powers.
That Lazarus is Osiris can be seen in John's retelling of the enacted drama of the Egyptian myth of the resurrection of Osiris which happened yearly at the House of Annu, which John Judaized as "Beth" + any= Bethany.
Isn't it incredible that they so misinterpreted Jesus' words? But they did.
Nowhere in this chapter has God's Word identified and named the disciple "whom Jesus loved." t has to be one of the seven disciples who went fishing. All but two of those disciples were named. If one were Lazarus and he is referred to in verse 23, then Peter's question, Jesus' reply, and their misunderstanding of his reply can easily be explained.
Lazarus had been raised from the dead by Jesus and became one of his most dearly beloved disciples. In being raised from the dead, he had that in common with Jesus. It would explain why Peter would be wondering about him. It would also explain why the disciples thought that he too, like Jesus, would not again die. Since he had been raised from the dead, perhaps he too would live forever. They misunderstood Jesus' words because of their own misunderstanding.
Why? Because he was a Jew and Lazarus is Eliezer, Abraham's servant, and therefore the whole parable is a covenant parable about Jews and Gentiles and has nothing to do with hell or heaven or any cosmic this or that.
Why? Because he was a Jew and Lazarus is Eliezer, Abraham's servant, and therefore the whole parable is a covenant parable about Jews and Gentiles and has nothing to do with hell or heaven or any cosmic this or that.
I have a question. Why is this rich man in Luke 16 calling out to "father Abraham" in this verse
Thanks
Lazarus and the Rich Man - Here a little, there a little - Commentary
Luke 16:24 And he sounding said "Father Abraham! be thou merciful to-me! and send Lazarus! that he should be dipping the tip of the finger of him of water and should be cooling down the tongue of me
that I am being pained in the flame this."
[Matthew 3:9/Acts 7:30-38]
Great question!dont know if anyone covered this but....
interesting the name Lazarus was chosen here for this parable.
was this before Jesus raised Lazurus, or after? (that He spoke the
parable)
obviously if before, then Lazarus was INDEED, quite prophetic.
(can "u" connect the dots? some can, some cant)
H>S> lead you, lead me.
shalom.
Which part...the Covenantle [which I adhere to] or the heaven and hell partUh....this requires much more "proof" and expounding than what i've read here n elsewhere (from linguist experts) on CF
site before i can "swallow it hook, line, and sinker."
selah.
I have a question. Why is this rich man in Luke 16 calling out to "father Abraham" in this verse
Thanks
I appreciated the comment that the man in the story was "relying on his physical connection to Abraham." Thanks!
At the end of the story is the exchange about how Lazarus should go back and tell them, then they will believe. And the reply is if they will not believe the prophets they will not believe even if someone was raised from the dead. Seems to me that someone was "raised from the dead!"
In Christ,
rob k
Good post and thanksI have a question. Why is this rich man in Luke 16 calling out to "father Abraham" in this verse
Thanks
I appreciated the comment that the man in the story was "relying on his physical connection to Abraham." Thanks!
At the end of the story is the exchange about how Lazarus should go back and tell them, then they will believe. And the reply is if they will not believe the prophets they will not believe even if someone was raised from the dead. Seems to me that someone was "raised from the dead!"
In Christ,
rob k
Thks frog....this is a great thread me thinksSubbing.
I have a question. Why is this rich man in Luke 16 calling out to "father Abraham" in this verse
Thanks
Lazarus and the Rich Man - Here a little, there a little - Commentary
Luke 16:24 And he sounding said "Father Abraham! be thou merciful to-me! and send Lazarus! that he should be dipping the tip of the finger of him of water and should be cooling down the tongue of me
that I am being pained in the flame this."
[Matthew 3:9/Acts 7:30-38]
He's still holding on to the same "hierarchy" that he lived in this life. One that believes Lazarus is lesser than him (the rich man) and should serve him. Even in the life to come he's unchanged and demands his status.
Good post and thanks for respondingMany possibilities here. take apart the name ab-ra-ham, esp in hebrew and see what u find, eh?
note the name lazarus used again in NT scripture; coincidence?
i think not.
also note the times this was written and the whole world hadnt been converted to christianity, yet.
Jesus raised from the dead,
lazarus raised before him, as well as the little girl, and the servant. is worth a word bible study out in the OT; for much of what Jesus did was repetitive (somewhat) or fulfilling old testament prophecies and stories before "his earthly time".
(hint: look for the paralells)
Whathierarchy would that be?He's still holding on to the same "hierarchy" that he lived in this life. One that believes Lazarus is lesser than him (the rich man) and should serve him. Even in the life to come he's unchanged and demands his status.
shameless bumpI have a question. Why is this rich man in Luke 16 calling out to "father Abraham" in this verse
Thanks
I have a question. Why is this rich man in Luke 16 calling out to "father Abraham" in this verse
Thanks
Lazarus and the Rich Man - Here a little, there a little - Commentary
Luke 16:24 And he sounding said "Father Abraham! be thou merciful to-me! and send Lazarus! that he should be dipping the tip of the finger of him of water and should be cooling down the tongue of me
that I am being pained in this flame."
[Matthew 3:9/Acts 7:30-38]
Now if only we can get the non-Christian apostate Jews to read and study it.......It would appear Abraham was given authority, charge over the place.
Another explanation is that this is based on Jewish tradition. Abraham's bosom meant to be seated next to Abraham.
Either way, it's not 100% parable, or there wouldn't be revealing Scriptures like Luke 16:26. Surely Jewish tradition couldn't have been this elaborate!
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