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Thinking of it is evil/defiling. Mark 7:21-23So murder isn't a sin ?
We can also, all resist the urge to act on the temptations.
You said: "we can destroy the old man"So murder isn't a sin ?
Disregarding those in need isn't a sin ?
We can also, all resist the urge to act on the temptations.
I disagree, as by the Spirit of God, we can destroy the old man and be raised with Christ to walk in newness of life.
By the Spirit, we can walk in the light, and forsake darkness.
By the Spirit, we have been made perfectly obedient to God.
Your evaluation of the Spirit is off the mark.
Morning, David...If we were made totally obedient, why does the apostle Paul write (after his conversion):
“18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but [how] to perform what is good I do not find. 19 For the good that I will [to do], I do not do; but the evil I will not [to do], that I practice.” (Ro 7:18-19 NKJV)
John is addressing the church about two very different kinds of men.And why did the apostle John write to his Christian readers:
“8 ¶ If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” (1Jo 1:8-9 NKJV)
If one is dwelling on thoughts of killing someone, it is sin.Thinking of it is evil/defiling. Mark 7:21-23
It is a pointless exercise to say man will not be charged for his sins.The point of this exercise is to realize that these observations are never just about the individual.
There are people, and there is the tempter/his own.
God engages BOTH
And people are not devils
Yes, I did.You said: "we can destroy the old man"
"we can walk in the light, and forsake darkness"
I can't agree with your summation.Your language is inconsistent, because these two statements assume that a Christian who has the Holy Spirit still has an old man and is still in darkness.
Those who are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. (Ga 5:24)You should think about what you're saying. It's is inconsistent with your statement "By the Spirit, we have been made perfectly obedient to God". So then, which is it? One having the Holy Spirit is perfectly obedient, or has an old man and is in darkness? You should explain what appears contradictory in your response here. (However, I suspect you will evade the question).
So then: one not having the Spirit can destroy the old man and walk in the light, and then they have the Spirit to be perfectly obedient?Yes, I did.
I can't agree with your summation.
"We" is all mankind, not just you or me, believer or unbeliever.
All of mankind can destroy the old man and walk in the light, thanks to the grace of God.
Those who are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. (Ga 5:24)
They walk in the light, and have forsaken darkness.
Sure.So then: one not having the Spirit can destroy the old man and walk in the light, and then they have the Spirit to be perfectly obedient?
Can you give an exact sequence of events here?
I don't recall Jesus setting a stop watch for the reality everyone has with regards to Mark 7:21-23If one is dwelling on thoughts of killing someone, it is sin.
As prior noted man is not just man.It is a pointless exercise to say man will not be charged for sins
How does this correlate with Eph. 2:1-10, since he says that we were raised up and seated with Christ "while we were dead in sin"?Sure.
If one turns from sin, (repents of sin), and is baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of those sins, he will receive the gift of the Holy Ghost...as per Acts 2:38.
So the sequence is repent, get washed by the blood of Christ, receive the Holy Ghost, walk in the light, which is God.
The baptism destroys the old man, like Paul wrote in Rom 6:6.
The washing makes the 'temple' fit the for the Spirits' habitation.
Then we are equipt to keep walking in God/light.
If you want to dwell on murdering someone, ir is a sin.I don't recall Jesus setting a stop watch for the reality everyone has with regards to Mark 7:21-23
Your opinion is not biblical, and is in fact an accommodation for sin.As prior noted man is not just man.
If two things are true, they cannot oppose each other.Two simultaneous truths do exist in theology and can be in direct opposite fashions, for example, sins not being counted against people:
Thank God for that.2 Cor. 5:
19 that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people’s sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation.
That is some false doctrine you foist on me.And those same sins can and will be counted against the devil:
1 John 3:
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
They may have been blinded, but the penalty for their sins will be paid by them...not the devils.You do recall that Jesus looked at Peter and rebuked who? Satan. You do recall Jesus forgiving the men who nailed Him to the cross, why? Because "they know not what they do." These men were blinded by the devil, slaves. 2 Cor. 4:4, Eph. 2:2
If the devil is in you, you are possessed by the devil.The only way we see in any better way is that we know the source of these matters is not us, and we therefore do battle, internally, with our adversary. Yes. Internal. Temptations, deceptions, errors, partial sights all stem from our adversary, Mark 4:15
Jesus did all the suffering and died, while we were still in sin.How does this correlate with Eph. 2:1-10, since he says that we were raised up and seated with Christ "while we were dead in sin"?
Perhaps review the mountain of scriptures cited on this between usYour opinion is not biblical, and is in fact an accommodation for sin.
I reject it.
It sounds to me like you think God justifies us because we repented from sin and were baptised, no?Jesus did all the suffering and died, while we were still in sin.
Nobody still dead in sin is seated with Christ.
It is after our repentance from sin, and baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins, that we are seated with Christ.
For we are baptized into Christ by baptism.
In Him, we can take part in all He made ready for us.
Show us the scripture that says "sin is of the devil who does sin in mankind".Perhaps review the mountain of scriptures cited on this between us
Sin is of the devil who does sin in mankind
Might as well show that scripture too.And sins are not counted against people
One forgiven
One not
Of course.It sounds to me like you think God justifies us because we repented from sin and were baptised, no?
Are you Roman Catholic? That church and the Easterns and others teach that nonsense. But here is what the apostle Paul wrote in Rom. 4:5:Of course.
Do you figure He is going to justify anyone who won't turn from sin and to Him ?
If we have faith in Christ, we will do those two things and much more.
Several times prior, here again, Mark 4:15, 1 John 3:8Show us the scripture that says "sin is of the devil who does sin in mankind".
Repentance doesn't make anyone sinless eitherSin won't be charges to those whose repentance from sin is true, as they don't commit sin.
No.Are you Roman Catholic?
Do you really feel that God will justify anyone who continues to offend Him ?That church and the Easterns and others teach that nonsense.
Do you really feel that there are faithful murderers, adulterers, liars, or thieves ?But here is what the apostle Paul wrote in Rom. 4:5:
"But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness." This contradicts your idea.
As that quickening occurs during our baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins, (Rom 6:4), it won't happen until the baptism occurs.Further he wrote in Eph. 2:5 "Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)" which contradicts what you said earlier, since you claimed:
"It is after our repentance from sin, and baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins, that we are seated with Christ."
Jesus died for us before we even knew about repentance or baptism...when we were still dead in sins.Paul says "when we were dead," but you say "after our repentance..."
I know that Jesus died so I could be sanctified, justified, made clean, atoned for, set apart, reborn of the Spirit, and consecrated.But I will bet you don't see the difference.
Neither of those scriptures say what you want them to say.Several times prior, here again, Mark 4:15, 1 John 3:8
If the turn from sin is true, it will make one a non-sinner.Repentance doesn't make anyone sinless either
Here you evade the issue by adding the word "continues," which means that you assume I'm talking about someone after being born again. No, I'm not talking about that. I'm trying to find out what you think is the sequence of events that get a person to a converted state.No.
Do you really feel that God will justify anyone who continues to offend Him ?
I don't think so.
So then, you believe in baptismal regeneration, since you say the "quickening occurs during baptism." I know you're referring to Rom. 6, but it says "baptism unto death," not "baptism in water."Do you really feel that there are faithful murderers, adulterers, liars, or thieves ?
I don't.
As that quickening occurs during our baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins, (Rom 6:4), it won't happen until the baptism occurs.
Repentance from sin happens even before baptism. (Acts 2:38)
You obviously think that "we do our part" happens before Christ's death helps us. So then, the work of repentance and baptism causes a person to be saved, born again, and Jesus' death helping us, according to your response here, correct? "We do our part", then somehow Christ's death helps us.Jesus died for us before we even knew about repentance or baptism...when we were still dead in sins.
But until we do our part, His death won't help us at all.
And your part was - repent of your sins, be baptised, and anything else? And your sins were not atoned for, nor were you justified or sanctified in any way prior to you doing those things?I know that Jesus died so I could be sanctified, justified, made clean, atoned for, set apart, reborn of the Spirit, and consecrated.
But until I did my part, those things couldn't happen.
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