Luke 13:3 being ripped out of context to teach Repent Of Your Sins

Cockcrow · Aug 14, 2024

Luke 13:2-4 And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things? I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem?"
It says ye will all likewise perish, what is the likewise? a tower falling on their head. Nothing here about going to hell, perish there does not mean to go to hell, it is talking about turning from a building falling on their head. It is talking about physical perishing, not losing your eternal life due to sinning too much. It is false to take Luke 13:3 out of context to falsely teach repent of your sins to be saved.

The first time repent is mentioned in the bible it is God repented. God repented over 30 times and he has no sin, so in order to get the definition of what we must repent of, you must look at the context. no verse in the bible says Repent of your sins to be saved from hell. it doesn't exist. People can only rip verses like this out of context and try to apply that perish there means hell when that is not what Jesus was saying. Don't put words in Jesus mouth but repent of your sins people add "repent of your sins to be saved" to Jesus mouth when he said no such thing

Exodus 13:17 And it came to pass, when Pharaoh had let the people go, that God led them not through the way of the land of the Philistines, although that was near; for God said, Lest peradventure the people repent when they see war, and they return to Egypt:" Here is an example of a bad repentance, God didnt want them to repent here, see repent means to turn. And to know what to turn from you must look at the context. And not rip verses like "except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish" that is not a correct way to use the word of God at all. We are saved by grace not works.

Why am I so persistent about this repent of your sins thing? Because people are going to hell it is a horrible thing that people are being led astray taught a false gospel that they must turn from all of their sins to make it to heaven, when the true gospel is Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved.

A lot of people are going to hell thinking they will be in heaven because they believe they turned from their sins + believe, but thats damnable. you cannot add works to salvation. Its a smooth criminal works salvation, the way they sneak it in. it isvery serious, that if people would simply read their bibles cover to cover King James, all of this could be avoided but instead they want to listen to preachers get up and say stuff that is not in the bible like "repent of your sins to be saved" well maybe if enough people repeat it, then it will become true, no my friend the eternal word of God is the only truth, the final authority and you will not find "repent of your sins to be saved" cover to cover. Its faith alone my friend. the entire book, its faith alone in Christ to be saved. nothing else, you cannot add to that.

Galatians 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.”

Guojing · Aug 14, 2024

Under the gospel of the kingdom, Israel needed to have a national repentance for rejecting God their Father during the OT.

If they are willing to do that, and accept God's son, then that is the proof of their repentance.

Its not individual Jews from Israel repenting of their individual sins.

See the parable of the tenants, found in all 3 synoptic gospels, Gospel of Matthew (Matthew 21:33–46), the Gospel of Mark (Mark 12:1–12) and the Gospel of Luke (Luke 20:9–19), for the details.

SavedByGrace3 · Aug 15, 2024

The farce is that an unsaved and, therefore, unregenerate person can suddenly decide to change their ways from the heart and start living righteously. Until you are born again, there is no hope of you ever repenting of any sins, much less all. You are an evil tree. You are "incurablely wicked." The standard Jesus sets is "Be ye perfect as your Father in Heaven is perfect." I am amazed to hear people claim that they have achieved this before they were born again as a prerequisite to being saved. You cannot do it. After you acknowledge your sinfulness and call on the savior's name (Jesus), you will be born again. Only then can you even begin to walk toward a life that is pleasing to God, and even then, it has to be by faith. You must see yourself as you are. That is part of repentance. You must know that Jesus is your only hope. No works. No "good intentions." You must acknowledge your complete helplessness and hopeless condition. Only then, when you throw yourself at His feet, acknowledge His Lordship, and call on His holy name, will you be saved. If you preach this gospel of "pre-new birth" repentance from all sin, realize that honest people who can see and know who and what they are may fail at what you preach. They will try and try to repent, and when they see themselves failing again and again, they may give up. They may turn away from the gospel and the Lord, thinking they are not worthy or able to be saved. Do not preach this doctrine. Preach the gospel as presented by Paul:

1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV
1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

That is the gospel: nothing added, nothing taken away.
Having said all that, know this. Once you believe and are saved, THEN the Lord and the Holy Spirit will begin to work on you.
Not to GET you saved... only the gospel, as detailed above, will do that. They will begin to sanctify you and purify you. It will be a lifelong endeavor on Their and your part. I have been saved for 53 years, and He is still working on me. He will continue to refine and purify until the day I die.

Blessings

JulieB67 · Aug 15, 2024

To Christian churches

Revelation 2:2 "I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars .

Revelation 2:3 "And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted.

Revelation 2:4 "Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love."

Revelation 2:5 "Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent."

Revelation 2:11 "He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death."

Revelation 2:13 "I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Sa'-tan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein An'-ti-pas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you where Sa'-tan dwelleth."

Revelation 2:14 "But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Ba'-laam, who taught Ba'-lic to cast a stumbling block before the children of Is'-ra-el, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication."

Revelation 2:16 "Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth."

Revelation 2:19 "I know thy works, and charity , and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works, and the last to be more than the first."

Revelation 2:20 "Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jez'-e-bel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.

Revelation 2:21 "And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.

Revelation 2:22 "Behold, I will cast her into bed, and them that commit adultery with her unto great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.

Repent of their deeds -sins

Revelation 3:1 "And unto the angel of the church in Sar'-dis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead."

Revelation 3:2 "Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God."

Revelation 3:3 "Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon you."

Revelation 3:5 "He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels."

Again, without a doubt believers as noted by not having their name blotted out of the book of life. Meaning they are in there but could be blotted out.

Revelation 3:19 "As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent."

Believing in Christ also includes believing what he taught, his ministry, etc.

What you keep posting is the opposite of what Christ teaches. You are judging people to hell for the very thing that Christ teaches.

These are all Christians churches many who have fallen back into sin, etc. They definitely were Christian as noted by their first love, not denying his name, faith, etc but they still fell into sin. And are in danger of having their names blotted out, danger of the second death and so on. We can't live in sin. Christ did not die for that purpose. He is the sacrifice for our atonement but it is not a license to live in sin. We all fall short but as Christ states, repent. Again, these are believers. They are Christian churches. Only 2 he didn't find fault with.

Romans 3:24 "Being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:"

Romans 3:25 "Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in His blood, to declare His righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;"

SavedByGrace3 · Aug 15, 2024

JulieB67 said:
To Christian churches

Revelation 2:2 "I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars .

Revelation 2:3 "And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted.

Revelation 2:4 "Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love."

Revelation 2:5 "Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent."

Revelation 2:11 "He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death."

Revelation 2:13 "I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Sa'-tan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein An'-ti-pas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you where Sa'-tan dwelleth."

Revelation 2:14 "But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Ba'-laam, who taught Ba'-lic to cast a stumbling block before the children of Is'-ra-el, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication."

Revelation 2:16 "Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth."

Revelation 2:19 "I know thy works, and charity , and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works, and the last to be more than the first."

Revelation 2:20 "Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jez'-e-bel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.

Revelation 2:21 "And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.

Revelation 2:22 "Behold, I will cast her into bed, and them that commit adultery with her unto great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.

Repent of their deeds -sins

Revelation 3:1 "And unto the angel of the church in Sar'-dis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead."

Revelation 3:2 "Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God."

Revelation 3:3 "Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon you."

Revelation 3:5 "He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels."

Revelation 3:19 "As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent."

What you keep posting is the opposite of what Christ teaches. These are all Christians churches many who have fallen back into sin, etc. They definitely were Christian as noted by their first love, not denying his name, faith, etc but they still fell into sin. And are in danger of having their names blotted out, danger of the second death and so on. We can't live in sin. Christ did not die for that purpose. He is the sacrifice for our atonement but it is not a license to live in sin. We all fall short but as Christ states, repent.

Romans 3:24 "Being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:"

Romans 3:25 "Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in His blood, to declare His righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;"

Yes. These are written to believers who are already saved. Not to unbelievers. Believers must walk in love and faith. Unbelievers must believe the gospel t get saved, and then begin to change their lives with the help of the Lord, the Holy Spirit, and the Word.

JulieB67 · Aug 15, 2024

SavedByGrace3 said:
Believers must walk in love and faith.

Yes and I believe this as well-

SavedByGrace3 said:
They will begin to sanctify you and purify you. It will be a lifelong endeavor

Sanctification takes time but God knows our hearts and minds and knows thank goodness who is sincere and who is not.

Clare73 · Aug 15, 2024

Cockcrow said:
Luke 13:2-4 And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things? I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem?"
It says ye will all likewise perish, what is the likewise? a tower falling on their head. Nothing here about going to hell,
perish there does not mean to go to hell,

Are you sure about that?

Do you know the common reference points for words in the Israel of the NT?

Cockcrow · Aug 15, 2024

To be saved you have to put all your trust in Jesus Christ alone, not "I repented of my sins and oh yeah I believe" no it has to be all on Jesus Christ to save you. Salvation is faith alone, not faith + I cleaned up my life.

Acts 16:30-31 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house. Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Cockcrow · Aug 15, 2024

Should you repent of your sins, clean up the life? Yes but thats not salvation, thats works. it takes work to turn from sins die daily take up the cross. Salvation is a one time thing, not a process.

John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

Cockcrow · Aug 15, 2024

The repentance needed for salvation is to turn from whatever false god you were trusting in before, and Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. put all your faith in Christ, not your works. Repent means to turn. and in the context of salvation you turn from unbelief or false belief, and Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. If you believe in works salvation, you have to turn from that (repent) and Believe the true gospel of faith alone in Christ alone.

Acts 20:21 Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.

Clare73 · Aug 15, 2024

Cockcrow said:
Should you repent of your sins, clean up the life? Yes but thats not salvation, thats works. it takes work to turn from sins die daily take up the cross. Salvation is a one time thing, not a process.

Well, actually salvation is a process:
1) salvation past - forgiveness of sin through faith,
2) salvation present - sanctification,
3) salvation future - resurrection.

Salvation past is a one-time thing.

Cockcrow · Aug 15, 2024

Clare73 said:
Well, actually salvation is a process:
1) salvation past - forgiveness of sin through faith,
2) salvation present - sanctification,
3) salvation future - resurrection.

Salvation past is a one time thing.

no it is not, a process.

John 6:47 “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.”

thats present tense you hath everlasting life.

1 Corinthians 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

1 John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.”

Thats past tense you already have eternal life right now. if you have believed on Jesus Christ.

John 5:24 “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”

John 10:28-29 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

Ephesians 1:13-14 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

John 11:25-26 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

The bible says that because I trusted Jesus Christ, believed on Jesus Christ, then I have eternal life, everlasting life, I shall not come into condemnation, have passed from death to life, shall never die, never perish, never be plucked out of Jesus or the Fathers hand, am sealed by the Holy Spirit unto the day of redemption, and I will be raised up at the last day.

Hoping2 · Aug 15, 2024

Cockcrow said:
Luke 13:2-4 And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things? I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem?"
It says ye will all likewise perish, what is the likewise? a tower falling on their head. Nothing here about going to hell, perish there does not mean to go to hell, it is talking about turning from a building falling on their head. It is talking about physical perishing, not losing your eternal life due to sinning too much. It is false to take Luke 13:3 out of context to falsely teach repent of your sins to be saved.

The first time repent is mentioned in the bible it is God repented. God repented over 30 times and he has no sin, so in order to get the definition of what we must repent of, you must look at the context. no verse in the bible says Repent of your sins to be saved from hell. it doesn't exist. People can only rip verses like this out of context and try to apply that perish there means hell when that is not what Jesus was saying. Don't put words in Jesus mouth but repent of your sins people add "repent of your sins to be saved" to Jesus mouth when he said no such thing

Exodus 13:17 And it came to pass, when Pharaoh had let the people go, that God led them not through the way of the land of the Philistines, although that was near; for God said, Lest peradventure the people repent when they see war, and they return to Egypt:" Here is an example of a bad repentance, God didnt want them to repent here, see repent means to turn. And to know what to turn from you must look at the context. And not rip verses like "except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish" that is not a correct way to use the word of God at all. We are saved by grace not works.

Why am I so persistent about this repent of your sins thing? Because people are going to hell it is a horrible thing that people are being led astray taught a false gospel that they must turn from all of their sins to make it to heaven, when the true gospel is Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved.

A lot of people are going to hell thinking they will be in heaven because they believe they turned from their sins + believe, but thats damnable. you cannot add works to salvation. Its a smooth criminal works salvation, the way they sneak it in. it isvery serious, that if people would simply read their bibles cover to cover King James, all of this could be avoided but instead they want to listen to preachers get up and say stuff that is not in the bible like "repent of your sins to be saved" well maybe if enough people repeat it, then it will become true, no my friend the eternal word of God is the only truth, the final authority and you will not find "repent of your sins to be saved" cover to cover. Its faith alone my friend. the entire book, its faith alone in Christ to be saved. nothing else, you cannot add to that.

Galatians 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.”

It looks like you are jut trying to defend sinning.
I hope I am wrong.
God repented of several things, which shows that the word "repent" just means "turn from".
If we don't turn from sin, we can't turn to God.

JulieB67 · Aug 16, 2024

Cockcrow said:
because I trusted Jesus Christ, believed on Jesus Christ,

Yet you don't believe all of his teachings so how is that believing?

Are you stating you only believe he died on the cross for your sins and that's it? You totally glossed over what was told to the Christian churches about repentance.

Ephesians 2:10 "For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them."

How is it a works based salvation when the Father created those in Christ unto good works? And ordained that we should walk in them. Are you suggesting he did not create you that way? If not I would be doing some serious soul searching. That's how someone knows they have put on the new man because they actually truly want to change their lives. That's the very definition of repentance. And we see that God created us in Christ that way. It's a natural thing. Have you produced any good works naturally from the heart since becoming a Christian? If all one is doing is producing bad works than as John states they lie and do not know the truth. Meaning someone has not come to repentance yet. They are not thinking differently yet. Faith in Christ is what saves but faith in Christ also means faith in the very Word. Faith that what the Word states is true. Works itself does not save but when one comes into Christ than one naturally produces good works out of their hearts. And why wouldn't they since as this verse above states. God created us in Christ for good works. Not because they have to for salvation purposes but because they want to after putting on the new man.

I'm not trying to judge as you do but simply stating facts from the Word.

David Lamb · Aug 16, 2024

JulieB67 said:
Yet you don't believe all of his teachings so how is that believing?

Are you stating you only believe he died on the cross for your sins and that's it? You totally glossed over what was told to the Christian churches about repentance.

Ephesians 2:10 "For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them."

How is it a works based salvation when the Father created those in Christ unto good works? And ordained that we should walk in them. Are you suggesting he did not create you that way? If not I would be doing some serious soul searching. That's how someone knows they have put on the new man because they actually truly want to change their lives. That's the very definition of repentance. And we see that God created us in Christ that way. It's a natural thing. Have you produced any good works naturally from the heart since becoming a Christian? If all one is doing is producing bad works than as John states they lie and do not know the truth. Meaning someone has not come to repentance yet. They are not thinking differently yet.

I'm not trying to judge as you do but simply stating facts from the Word.

I know this wasn't addressed to me, but I didn't take Cockcrow's post to mean that Christians don't have to do good works. Rather I took it to mean what I believe, that we don't do good works in order to become Christians, but because we are Christians. Writing to Chrisstians at Ephesus, the apostle Paul said:

“8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; [it is] the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.” (Eph 2:8-10 NKJV)

JulieB67 · Aug 16, 2024

David Lamb said:
know this wasn't addressed to me, but I didn't take Cockcrow's post to mean that Christians don't have to do good works.

I just added that part because of the many threads started by Cockcrow about works based salvation. I'm trying to stress that once someone has become a Christian although they fall short, the "want" to change their lives has to be there. Cockcrow continually acts as if someone doesn't have to change their lives, stop sinning after they've become Christians. Where's the repentance in that? The sinning issue aside, I would like to know if they've actually produced any good works at all from the heart. Not because they have to for salvation but because they actually want to from the heart.

Crockcow constantly judges people to hell as well and that is a huge sin in itself.

Cockcrow said:
Nobody in that entire video is saved, every single one is a false teacher who will split hell wide open and is a wicked devil going straight to hell busting hell wide open at lightning speed lowest hell and the saints will rejoice when they are thrown into Lake of fire.

Cockcrow said:
Plus nothing meaning you don't have to do anything to be saved, and minus nothing meaning you don't have to stop doing something to be saved

Cockcrow said:
. Living a good life, stopping the sinning, that's not salvation, salvation is Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.

We all fall short but if someone is living in sin, walking in darkness I would have to question whether or not that person is truly has repented. We know certain problem sins can take time but we have to constantly try and put the spirit above the flesh. I don't believe that's "works" based salvation I think that's the constant struggle a Christian goes through.
And I believe in the entire Word of God, not only parts of it to suit my beliefs. I think that's part of believing in Christ, not just that he died on the cross. I believe in his ministry and what he taught.

David Lamb · Aug 16, 2024

JulieB67 said:
I just added that part because of the many threads started by Cockcrow about works based salvation. I'm trying to stress that once someone has become a Christian although they fall short, the "want" to change their lives has to be there. Cockcrow continually acts as if someone doesn't have to change their lives, stop sinning after they've become Christians. The sinning issue aside, I would like to know if they've actually produced any good works at all from the heart. Not because they have to for salvation but because they actually want to from the heart.

Crockcow constantly judges people to hell as well and that is a huge sin in itself.

We all fall short but if someone is living in sin, walking in darkness I would have to question whether or not that person is truly has repented. I believe in the entire Word of God, not only parts of it to suit my beliefs. I think that's part of believing in Christ, not just that he died on the cross. I believe in his ministry and what he taught.

Thanks. Yes, I agree with all that.

Clare73 · Aug 16, 2024

Cockcrow said:
no it is not, a process.

John 6:47 “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.”

thats present tense you hath everlasting life.

And the present is ongoing with the clock. Everlasting life is an on-going thing.

BNR32FAN · Aug 16, 2024

Cockcrow said:
Luke 13:2-4 And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things? I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem?"
It says ye will all likewise perish, what is the likewise? a tower falling on their head. Nothing here about going to hell, perish there does not mean to go to hell, it is talking about turning from a building falling on their head. It is talking about physical perishing, not losing your eternal life due to sinning too much. It is false to take Luke 13:3 out of context to falsely teach repent of your sins to be saved.

The first time repent is mentioned in the bible it is God repented. God repented over 30 times and he has no sin, so in order to get the definition of what we must repent of, you must look at the context. no verse in the bible says Repent of your sins to be saved from hell. it doesn't exist. People can only rip verses like this out of context and try to apply that perish there means hell when that is not what Jesus was saying. Don't put words in Jesus mouth but repent of your sins people add "repent of your sins to be saved" to Jesus mouth when he said no such thing

Exodus 13:17 And it came to pass, when Pharaoh had let the people go, that God led them not through the way of the land of the Philistines, although that was near; for God said, Lest peradventure the people repent when they see war, and they return to Egypt:" Here is an example of a bad repentance, God didnt want them to repent here, see repent means to turn. And to know what to turn from you must look at the context. And not rip verses like "except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish" that is not a correct way to use the word of God at all. We are saved by grace not works.

Why am I so persistent about this repent of your sins thing? Because people are going to hell it is a horrible thing that people are being led astray taught a false gospel that they must turn from all of their sins to make it to heaven, when the true gospel is Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved.

A lot of people are going to hell thinking they will be in heaven because they believe they turned from their sins + believe, but thats damnable. you cannot add works to salvation. Its a smooth criminal works salvation, the way they sneak it in. it isvery serious, that if people would simply read their bibles cover to cover King James, all of this could be avoided but instead they want to listen to preachers get up and say stuff that is not in the bible like "repent of your sins to be saved" well maybe if enough people repeat it, then it will become true, no my friend the eternal word of God is the only truth, the final authority and you will not find "repent of your sins to be saved" cover to cover. Its faith alone my friend. the entire book, its faith alone in Christ to be saved. nothing else, you cannot add to that.

Galatians 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.”

So we’re free to do anything we want as long as we believe that Jesus will save us? Is that what you think Jesus taught? So we can rape, murder, steal, lie, cheat, engage in every sort of sexual immorality, and even curse God and Jesus will save us just because we believe? Everything is permissible as long as we believe? Is that what you’re saying Jesus taught? You might want to read Matthew 7:21-27 because if you live your life this way I guarantee you’re going to here these words.

BNR32FAN · Aug 16, 2024

Cockcrow said:
no it is not, a process.

John 6:47 “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.”

thats present tense you hath everlasting life.

1 Corinthians 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

1 John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.”

Thats past tense you already have eternal life right now. if you have believed on Jesus Christ.

John 5:24 “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”

John 10:28-29 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

Ephesians 1:13-14 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

John 11:25-26 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

The bible says that because I trusted Jesus Christ, believed on Jesus Christ, then I have eternal life, everlasting life, I shall not come into condemnation, have passed from death to life, shall never die, never perish, never be plucked out of Jesus or the Fathers hand, am sealed by the Holy Spirit unto the day of redemption, and I will be raised up at the last day.

Just because someone believed and received eternal life doesn’t mean it can’t be revoked. James 5:19-20 makes this clear.

“My brethren, if any among you strays from the truth and one turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins.”
‭‭James‬ ‭5‬:‭19‬-‭20‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

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