Lucifer

[Tellyontellyon]

After the fall, did Lucifer become ugly or did he remain beautiful?

 

[Laodicean60]

Probably ugly in God's eye but beautiful in a lot of people eye's.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

After the fall, did Lucifer become ugly or did he remain beautiful?

For clarification .....here is a good critical writing on the word " Lucifer". There are no biblical writings or evidence of Satan's physical attributes.

The use of the name "Lucifer" in relation to the King of Tyre is a complex and controversial topic. Here's a breakdown of the key points:
Biblical reference:
The name "Lucifer" appears in the Book of Isaiah 14:12, where it is used to address the King of Tyre in a metaphorical lament. The text describes the King's ambition, pride, and eventual downfall.
Latin translation:
The Latin translation of the Hebrew Bible known as the Vulgate used the word "Lucifer" in Isaiah 14:12. This translation influenced later interpretations and understandings of the passage.
Association with Satan:
Over time, the name "Lucifer" became associated with Satan, the fallen angel and adversary of God. This association was likely influenced by the similarities between the description of the King of Tyre in Isaiah and the traditional portrayal of Satan as a proud and rebellious figure.
Modern interpretations:
There are several interpretations of the use of "Lucifer" in relation to the King of Tyre:

• Literal interpretation: Some scholars believe that "Lucifer" is a literal name for the King of Tyre, although this interpretation is less common.
• Metaphorical interpretation: Most scholars agree that "Lucifer" is a metaphor used to describe the King's pride and arrogance.
• Precursor to Satan: Some scholars see the passage as a prefiguration of Satan's fall, suggesting a connection between the King's pride and Satan's rebellion.

Arguments against association with Satan:
Several arguments oppose the association of "Lucifer" in Isaiah 14:12 with Satan:

• Context: The passage focuses on the King of Tyre and his specific historical context.
• Meaning of "Lucifer": The Hebrew word translated as "Lucifer" means "morning star" or "shining one," not necessarily related to Satan.
• No mention of Satan: The passage does not explicitly mention Satan or any other fallen angel.

Conclusion:
While the use of "Lucifer" in relation to the King of Tyre remains a topic of debate, it's crucial to consider the historical context, the original Hebrew meaning, and the development of interpretations over time. Understanding the various perspectives helps us approach this complex passage with nuance and avoid misinterpretations.

 

[Laodicean60]

While the use of "Lucifer" in relation to the King of Tyre

Thank you for your post. I wonder how they reconcile Ezekiel 28:12–19 "You were in Eden, the garden of God;"?

 

[Aussie Pete]

After the fall, did Lucifer become ugly or did he remain beautiful?

He was attractive enough to fool Eve and not to turn Adam away. Satan can masquerade as an angel of light (2 Corinthians 11:14). The idea of Satan with a pitchfork and horns in a red suit comes from Dante's "Inferno", also called "A divine comedy". Satan is more likely dressed in a Saville Row suit, driving a Rolls Royce and staying in the best hotels.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

Thank you for your post. I wonder how they reconcile Ezekiel 28:12–19 "You were in Eden, the garden of God;"?

A metaphorical lament.

 

[BobRyan]

After the fall, did Lucifer become ugly or did he remain beautiful?

He remained beautiful.

In Matt 4 he comes to Jesus as an Angel of light

In 2 Cor 11:14 No wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.

In Matt 24 his counterfeit second coming of Christ is so impressive as a bright being of light surrounded by his shining angels - it will fool if possible "the very elect" - according to Christ.

 

[BobRyan]

Thank you for your post. I wonder how they reconcile Ezekiel 28:12–19 "You were in Eden, the garden of God;"?

In Is 14 and Ezek 28 - local kings were used as types, symbols of a much greater reality regarding Lucifer/Satan.

He was literally in Eden - the garden of God.

Not true of the king of Tyre - but literally true of Lucifer.
"Sinless in the day you were created"
"perfect in the day you were created"
"you are the covering cherub"
... etc.