Lucifer in the Garden of Eden

[ScottBot]

No such thing as Lucifer?

Of course, Lucifer being the Latin for "Light Bearer"

 

[Calminian]

No such thing as Lucifer?

No such thing as the name Lucifer in the Bible. Lucifer is a transliteration of a latin word which means light bearer. Somehow this transliterated latin word ended up in the King James as a proper noun. The hebrew word in Isaiah simply means shining one, and it meant as a description rather than a name. If you look at all other translations of the Bible, the name Lucifer does not appear.

This is not to say, shining one in Isaiah is not an allusion to the fall of Satan, but it most certainly is not the prefallen name of Satan. Clear as mud?

 

[repentant]

Of course, Lucifer being the Latin for "Light Bearer"

So who is spoken of in Revelations being cast down from heaven? And in Isaiah..?

Isaiah 14:12
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

Septuagint uses the word "eosphoros"..

I know the word "Lucifer" is a Latin word translated from the Greek word "eosphoros" dawn-bearer or "phosphoros" which means, light bearer...but this is the name of the fallen angel, called the serpent, or Satan..Just because the word itself means something, does not mean it cannot be a name..just like Michael means, "who is like God"..

P.S...did you know there was a St. Lucifer, who was a Bishop in Sardinia? I did not know that..

 

[Aras]

Reference to everlasting torment? I see this nowhere in the original language of Scripture.

I'm curious, I've been interested lately in the difference between Scriptural and simply traditional Hell, and have been trying to read up a little on the matter in my Bible, could you (or anyone else with something to say for that matter) elaborate on this comment?

Luke 16:19-28 is at least one reference to a real place of torment.

 

[mooduck1]

Reference to everlasting torment? I see this nowhere in the original language of Scripture.

I'm curious, I've been interested lately in the difference between Scriptural and simply traditional Hell, and have been trying to read up a little on the matter in my Bible, could you (or anyone else with something to say for that matter) elaborate on this comment?

Luke 16:19-28 is at least one reference to a real place of torment.

this is a bit off topic. perhapse you should a new string?