Goodbye sister. Find me on the other forums.OOOPPPPSSS----forgot again---you can see the original Greek here--
http://www.qbible.com/greek-new-testament/john/1.html#18
Yes, we have had this discussion before. But it is worth having again, and again. Priesthood is a key piece of the true religion of Jesus Christ. So it is worth talking about it.Well to reiterate. The Melchezedek priesthood only belonged to Melchezedek and Jesus Christ so you have no place claiming that one. The Aaronic priesthood was for Hebrew descendants which your faith is not in that heritage, so that priesthood is also not yours.
To hard to follow. Probably won't read all of Genesis that way. But thanks for the site.Has anyone tried the mechanical translation of Genesis?
(a most interesting read)
[link to www.mechanical-translation.org]
2:17
and from the tree of the discernment of function and dysfunction you will not eat from him given that in the day you eat from him a dying you will die,
Interesting indeed when dysfunction is understood as non-procreating.
Something learned long ago, but not well supported by the text, until now!
The Priesthood was passed on by right of birth--God alone appointed Aaron and his descendants as priests. God alone can appoint a Priest. Not any dead disciple can do it--God alone. Moses anointed Aaron-but God appointed him and told Moses to anoint him. God did not appoint JS to any priesthood. By JS own admission, Moses didn't anoint him. There is a record that God told Moses to anoint Aaron--where is the record of God telling anyone to anoint JS a priest? There is no statement that ayone but the Only son of God was appoinbted as a Priest. The whole book of Hebrews states that--and Jesus as the only Son of God has no decendents---The priesthood was never passed on by the laying on of hands, right of birth alone--only elders, deacons and bishops---church leaders only---no priests. That only stsarted with the Catholics, and their claim supercedes yours.
Has anyone tried the mechanical translation of Genesis?
(a most interesting read)
[link to www.mechanical-translation.org]
2:17
and from the tree of the discernment of function and dysfunction you will not eat from him given that in the day you eat from him a dying you will die,
Interesting indeed when dysfunction is understood as non-procreating.
Something learned long ago, but not well supported by the text, until now!
Each one of the Holy Trinity do call each other God. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. That is not new. I have given you this scripture before, where God the Father calls His Son Jesus, God (PSalms 45:7). I have not seen a scripture that calls the Holy Spirit, God, but I know he is part of the Holy Trinity. So if there are 3 Gods in the Trinity that call each other God, why not just admit there are 3 Gods that are in such unity of purpose that it is as if they are 1 God. These 3 Gods constitute what we call God and there is no other God beside me. That is a phrase that makes sense even though there are 3 Gods.
TBL says:
This just once more proves, a different Jesus.
Matthew 20:17 clearly proves that your Nicean Jesus is absolutely different from the NT Jesus, who the LDS believe in. Your Nicean Jesus is a 3 in 1 God. Matthew's Jesus is 3 distinct Gods, so united in purpose that it is as if they are 1 God.
That is why God the Father and Jesus and the Holy Spirit can all 3 be in different places at the same time. Have you ever noticed that in the NT. A Nicean 3 in 1 God cannot do that, all 3 Gods/Persons have to be at the same place at the same time, all the time. If there is 1 time that all 3 are not together, it shatters the 3 in 1 God doctrine and it is proven inadequate to explain their nature.
Who was Satan's Father?
So, those who have the same father are called children of that father and brothers and sisters.
Conclusion: Christ and Lucifer are brothers. They have the same Father. Even if make up unbiblical doctrine that they are different species, they are still brothers. So, LDS are correct.
I'm sorry, but I don't see the answer to my question here (maybe I missed it). *WHO* is Satan/Lucifer's Father?Oh boy! There are quite a number of doctrines you people hold that does not conform with the bible.
Before Satan was called Satan, what is his name?
Isaiah 14:12-15 New King James Version (NKJV)
“How you are fallen from heaven,
O Lucifer, son of the morning!
How you are cut down to the ground,
You who weakened the nations!
For you have said in your heart:
‘I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God;
I will also sit on the mount of the congregation
On the farthest sides of the north;
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds,
I will be like the Most High.’
Yet you shall be brought down to Sheol,
To the lowest depths of the Pit.
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Lucifer was his name. He wanted to be like the Most High - like God, himself.
He was called son of the morning. He was an angel, fallen but nevertheless an angel. Having said that we move to another verse:
Hebrews 1:5 New King James Version (NKJV)
For to which of the angels did He ever say:
“You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You”?
And again:
“I will be to Him a Father,
And He shall be to Me a Son”?
The answer to these is a simple - NONE of the angels did God said those things. So what are the angels therefore?
Hebrews 1:5-6 New International Version (NIV)
For to which of the angels did God ever say,
“You are my Son;
today I have become your Father”?
Or again,
“I will be his Father,
and he will be my Son”?
And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says,
“Let all God’s angels worship him.”
So Lucifer who was an angel was never God's son
Because God never said to an angel "You are my son"
That goes true with the rest of the angels.
But when God brought his first born into the world
Matthew 3:16-17 New International Version (NIV)
As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting on him. And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”
Therefore:
- Lucifer who was an angel is an angel. No angel became a son.
- On the other hand, God told everybody that Jesus is His Son and is loved and pleased with him.
- Lucifer and The Lord Jesus Christ were never brothers.
- Lucifer was an angel (disqualified) and the Lord Jesus is a human born through the spirit of God
Who created Lucifer and who created the Lord Jesus?
God created them both.
God created angels to be worshipers, servants, messengers, gatherers and death bringers.
If I were to make an allegory: Distinction between a former employee and the Heir would be more apt.
Who created Lucifer and who created the Lord Jesus?
God created them both.
God created angels to be worshipers, servants, messengers, gatherers and death bringers.
I'm sorry, but I don't see the answer to my question here (maybe I missed it). *WHO* is Satan/Lucifer's Father?
100% agreed.God is the Father of all spirit's.
Furthermore, we have had human fathers who corrected us, and we paid them respect. Shall we not much more readily be in subjection to the Father of spirits and live? Hebrews 12:9
Lucifer was created as perfect in his ways, until iniquity was found in him.
“You were the anointed cherub who covers;
I established you;
You were on the holy mountain of God;
You walked back and forth in the midst of fiery stones.
15 You were perfect in your ways from the day you were created,
Till iniquity was found in you. Ezekiel 28:14-15
He was cast out of Heaven, and became the enemy, adversary, Satan.
JLB
God is the Father of all spirit's.
Furthermore, we have had human fathers who corrected us, and we paid them respect. Shall we not much more readily be in subjection to the Father of spirits and live? Hebrews 12:9
100% agreed.
It's a good video but I think it could have explained a little bit more.
1, we believe the being inside of you which we call an intelligence has always existed, God the Father clothes this being in spirit matter thus he becomes the Father of Spirits.
2, Yahweh/Jesus was the first born of the spirit as the video explained. His septer was a septer of righteousness and the Father then anointed him God with the oil of gladness above his "fellows" as Heb 1 explains.
3, the 'fellows' are us, the angels are us, angels are not some other third kind of being with wings but the spirits of men. The angel who appeared to John in Rev 22 said "I am thy fellow servant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book" so he wasn't some sort of different creature but a passed prophet.
4, and this is to your point, Yahweh/Jesus was the only begotten in the flesh. None of the other spirit children were begotten as Jesus was in the flesh. But let me point on Job 1 and 38 to you and I'll put in the Hebrew wording
6"Now there was a day when the sons of elohiym(s) or the Gods came to present themselves before Yahweh and Satan came also among them."
4 Where wast thou when I/Yahweh laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding....
7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of (the) elohiym(s) shouted for joy?
There were many sons of the Elohiym(s). I asked myself what does it mean by 'the morning stars' so I started looking. In Rev 22 Jesus is called the bright and morning star. Then I found that the word Lucifer in the Hebrew means; morning star, son of dawn. Thus you have the morning stars Jesus and Lucifer sing together at the foundation of the world and before the fall of mankind.
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