Lubavitcher??

[Yitzchak]

I hope I got the word correct here. My older brother recently changed his views on judaism. he has been quite conservative for many years and even felt comfortable many times within orthodox circles. But recently he has gotten involved with this particular movement within judaism called "lubavitcher" or something close to that. anyone have any information on this movement/group?? It seems to have really intensified his zeal and I can tell an obvious difference in him when I talk with him.

 

[Hix]

Lubavitcher is a group within Chabad which is often eroniously refered to as ultra orthadox Judaism. The Chabad are all alike but the sects differ by there "Rebbi's" who are the main teachers of the groups.

Chabad are often considered a sect becuase they are removed from general society, nothing however is further from the truth. They are the most friendly and welcoming of all Jewish sects and always dance and be merry. They were ALL black atire including a black hat which will change depending on the type of Chabad.

Lubavitcher are the most popular type of Chabad with 200,000 in North America, and they have alot of teaching Judaism schemes amongst the secular Jewish families etc. Oh and their observance is 100% and they do not accept that the mitzvot can change like conservatives do.

Hope this helps
Shalom and G-d bless
~Hix~

 

[Henaynei]

That is a branch of the Chasidic movement - popularly (though erroniously) know in most of Judaism as "Ultra-Orthodox." One interesting thing they believe is the Rebbe Schneerson (now deceased lo these meny years) is the Messiah.....

 

[Hix]

They dont all believe that the late Rebbi is the Moshiach, only a SMALL group of them do, and they strangely enough believe he isnt dead but that is soul is alive :S But for the most part they dont accept that. I know quite a few Hassidim who are Lubavitch.

 

[simchat_torah]

Basically, Hix hit it right on the head... they are a sect within a sect

Lubavitch is a sect within the Chabad. To view more about the chabad, I highly reccomend www.chabad.org

There are also sects within the Lubavith movement... hahaha... but that's going a bit far for me.

 

[simchat_torah]

It really is a tiny minority that view Rebbe Schneerson as the great Moshiach.

 

[Yitzchak]

Lubavitcher is a group within Chabad which is often eroniously refered to as ultra orthadox Judaism. The Chabad are all alike but the sects differ by there "Rebbi's" who are the main teachers of the groups.

Chabad are often considered a sect becuase they are removed from general society, nothing however is further from the truth. They are the most friendly and welcoming of all Jewish sects and always dance and be merry. They were ALL black atire including a black hat which will change depending on the type of Chabad.

Lubavitcher are the most popular type of Chabad with 200,000 in North America, and they have alot of teaching Judaism schemes amongst the secular Jewish families etc. Oh and their observance is 100% and they do not accept that the mitzvot can change like conservatives do.

Hope this helps
Shalom and G-d bless
~Hix~

This does help. The part about observance being 100% is definitely true concerning my brother. Any idea what the term lubavitcher means literally?

 

[simchat_torah]

You will find Breslov Lubavitchers, Shlomo Lubavitchers, etc etc...

Basically, the founder of the Chassidim believed that the common man was not left out from drawing near to HaShem. This was not something for a Rabbi to attain alone, but everyone is to draw close... through the Mitzvot, through study, through passion and expression of love, etc.

This is the basis of the Chassidic movement. Spirituality is for everyone to experience.

 

[Hix]

Doesnt the name come from the location of the Rebbe? Im not sure, I think I heard about the adherents of Breslover going on a pilgrimage to the burial of their Rebbe and it mentioned it was named after the original place the Rebbe came from, as was the custom

 

[simchat_torah]

I believe the name Lubavitch comes from the founder. I have to run and go pick up my wife now, so I don't have the time to post a link, but maybe someone else can handle this?

shalom!
yafet

 

[iitb]

From chabad.org

The word "Chabad" is a Hebrew acronym for the three intellectual faculties of: chachmah-wisdom, binah-comprehension and da'at-knowledge. The movement's system of Jewish religious philosophy, the deepest dimension of G-d's Torah, teaches understanding and recognition of the Creator, the role and purpose of Creation, and the importance and unique mission of each Creature. This philosophy guides a person to refine and govern his and her every act and feeling through wisdom, comprehension and knowledge.
The word "Lubavitch" is the name of the town in White Russia where the movement was based for more than a century. Appropriately, the word Lubavitch in Russian means the "city of brotherly love." The name Lubavitch conveys the essence of the responsibility and love engendered by the Chabad philosophy toward every single Jew.

 

[Adiel batKelev]

is there a difference between the orthodox and Chasid??

 

[Hix]

Yes there is, Chassidim is a sect within the orthodox sect. I myself am whats known as Modern Orthodox, which is within Orthodox Judaism but not Chabad

oy, all these labels.

 

[Adiel batKelev]

sorry for not being more specific - your answer states there is a difference - but I am still not clear as to what that difference is??

I thought the Chabad was originally rejected by orthodox Judaism??

 

[Hix]

Chabad is a part of Orthodox Judaism, a very big part of it too. The difference between the likes of Chabad and say modern orthodox is most notible in clothing such as wearing the all black atire whilst modern Orthodox would probobly only wear a tallit katan and yalmulke. And like I said, the Chabad are more removed from the diaspora which does seem to give people the wrong impression that they are a cult.

Shalom and G-d bless
~Hix~

 

[Adiel batKelev]

hmm... i c ..... i think

 

[Linda8]

Chabad is a part of Orthodox Judaism, a very big part of it too. The difference between the likes of Chabad and say modern orthodox is most notible in clothing such as wearing the all black atire whilst modern Orthodox would probobly only wear a tallit katan and yalmulke. And like I said, the Chabad are more removed from the diaspora which does seem to give people the wrong impression that they are a cult.

Shalom and G-d bless
~Hix~

Would the Lubavitchers who believe in their Messiah be termed non-Jews, since their Messiah is not the true Messiah?

Would they be placed in the same category as jewish believers in Yeshua by the orthodox?

 

[Hix]

Actually it is one of the greatest injustices that they are still accepted within the orthodox rabbinate. Il never understand why they can accept a sect that believes one person was the messiah, but not us *shrugs*

Shalom and G-d bless
~Hix~

 

[Henaynei]

Actually it is one of the greatest injustices that they are still accepted within the orthodox rabbinate. Il never understand why they can accept a sect that believes one person was the messiah, but not us *shrugs*

Shalom and G-d bless
~Hix~

It's easy really - they have only had, what 7 or 8 years, for their mishigas to have an influence on Judaism and the Yeshua believers have had 2000 yearsfor their mishigas to screw things up. Oh, and, no gentiles believe Rebbe Schneerson is Messiah, while seeming (to them) the whole gentile world believes Yeshua is. AND, belief in Schneerson has never been anything BUT Jewish - while, until recently, belief in Yeshua has (seemingly to them) been anything BUT Jewish.