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Bookofknowledge

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MercuryAndy said:
Which religions say you should love all people?

humans do not have the necessary skill to love all people, neither they have been created by "The God" to love all people because any human who says their religion teaches to love all people then that human is crosing the legal boundries against those who intentionally cross the humane limits and cause harm to innocents.
 
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MercuryAndy said:
Which religions say you should love all people?

Hello Andy!

And how are you these days?

Here is an excerpt from the Baha'i Writings about the importance of love:

"Real love is the love which exists between God and His servants, the love which binds together holy souls. This is the love of the spiritual world, not the love of physical bodies and organisms.

For example, consider and observe how the bestowals of God successively descend upon mankind; how the divine effulgences ever shine upon the human world. There can be no doubt that these bestowals, these bounties, these effulgences emanate from love.

Unless love be the divine motive, it would be impossible for the heart of man to attain or receive them. Unless love exists the divine blessing could not descend upon any object or thing. Unless there be love the recipient of divine effulgence could not radiate and reflect that effulgence upon other objects."

~ Abdul-Baha
 
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With Asatru, the common point of view is to be fair to others, but that it's also okay to retaliate in kind if others treat you like dirt.

Which is to say, our sagas (as far as I know) don't give any clear comment on that, but the standard consensus among us Asatruar is quite similar to the Golden Rule. With the additional specification that if others treat you badly, it's at least "okay with the High Gods" if you pay them back accordingly, as exemplified in one of the few stanzas of the Poetic Edda that I like to quote:

To his friend a man | a friend shall prove,
And gifts with gifts requite;
But men shall mocking | with mockery answer,
And fraud with falsehood meet.

(Poetic Edda, H. A. Bellows-translation, Havamal stanza 42; emphasis mine)

This doesn't constitute a "commandment" - you won't find any clear commandments in the sagas - but just a piece of advice. Just to prevent possible misconceptions.
 
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originally posted by Bookofknowledge

humans do not have the necessary skill to love all people,

The problem is man's depravity. We do have the capaticy to love. God gave it to us.

neither they have been created by "The God" to love all people because any human who says their religion teaches to love all people then that human is crosing the legal boundries against those who intentionally cross the humane limits and cause harm to innocents.

Adam was created complete. He had no inadequacies because he was in right fellowship with God. It wasn't until man's first sin did he loose his right relationship with God. Disobedience brought a change in his nature that resulted in spritual corruption.

I don't see what is legal about love. Either you have the spiritual ability to display it or you don't. Legalities have nothing to do with it. If you would study Jesus' teachings and and the actions of His desciples, you would better understand the spiritual aspects of humankind and those of God. Godly love is something absent in Islam. Love is not conditional and affected by circumstances. God's love for us does not reflect limitations. This is why it is so important to understand Jesus' teachings. He reflected Godly love and expects us to follow His example by submitting ourselves to God's spirit, our teacher. I assume that you look at love from the example that you were left to follow, Mohammad.
 
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The Messenger of Allah said, "Allah makes mercy one hundred parts. He revealed a part thereof to the earth. It is by this single part that the creatures show compassion among themselves, that is why you see an animal raises up its hoof so as not to harm its young." Mercifulness is an attribute of our Lord that befits His Majesty and does not resemble that of His creatures in any way.





Umar said: Some captives were brought to the Messenger of Allah and there was a woman among them whose breasts were full of milk. Suddenly, this woman saw an infant in the midst of the captives. She took hold of it, brought it into her bosom and started suckling it. The Prophet then told the companions, "Do you think that this woman would throw her child in the fire?" We said, "No, By Allah she would not, if she is able not to." He then said, "Allah the Exalted is more merciful with His slave than this woman with her child." (Al-Bukhaaree)
 
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Abdurrahim said:
The Messenger of Allah said, "Allah makes mercy one hundred parts. He revealed a part thereof to the earth. It is by this single part that the creatures show compassion among themselves, that is why you see an animal raises up its hoof so as not to harm its young." Mercifulness is an attribute of our Lord that befits His Majesty and does not resemble that of His creatures in any way.





Umar said: Some captives were brought to the Messenger of Allah and there was a woman among them whose breasts were full of milk. Suddenly, this woman saw an infant in the midst of the captives. She took hold of it, brought it into her bosom and started suckling it. The Prophet then told the companions, "Do you think that this woman would throw her child in the fire?" We said, "No, By Allah she would not, if she is able not to." He then said, "Allah the Exalted is more merciful with His slave than this woman with her child." (Al-Bukhaaree)

Give us a clue. What are you trying to say here?
 
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If you do not get the point I will show some more .


The Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said:
"A man was walking on a road when he became very thirsty. He found a well and went into it and drank and came out. There was a dog panting and eating earth out of thirst. The man said, 'This dog has become as thirsty as I was.' He went down into the well and filled his shoe and then held it in his mouth until he climbed out and gave the dog water to drink. Allah thanked him for it and forgave him." They said (The Prophet's companions), "Messenger of Allah, do we have a reward for taking care of beasts?" He said, "There is a reward for service to every living creature."





The Prophet (peace and blessings upon him) said:

“Show mercy, so that you will be shown mercy.” The Prophet also said: “If you reach the morning don’t expect the evening; And if you reach the evening don’t expect the morning.”




The Messenger of God (may peace be upon him) said:
'When Allah decreed the Creation He pledged Himself by writing in His book which is laid down with Him: My mercy prevails over my wrath.'




The Prophet (peace and blessings upon him) said:

“Show mercy, so that you will be shown mercy.” The Prophet also said: “If you reach the morning don’t expect the evening; And if you reach the evening don’t expect the morning.”


These are the signs of an universal mercy.




And compare these the supposed words of Jesus



25 For a woman, whose little daughter had an unclean spirit, having heard of him, came and fell down at his feet.

26 Now the woman was a Greek, a Syrophoenician by race. She begged him that he would cast the demon out of her daughter.

27 But Jesus said to her, "Let the children be filled first, for it is not appropriate to take the children's bread and throw it to the dogs."

28 But she answered him, "Yes, Lord. Yet even the dogs under the table eat the children's crumbs."




Formulation of Love is quite interesting in current christian faith :

it is similar to

A father allowes his most beloved son to be killed by criminals to forgive all the criminals ???
 
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According to Abu Dharr, the Prophet, may God give him blessings and peace, said, reporting the words of God, ever praised and exalted is He:

"O My servants, I have forbidden injustice to Myself and I have made it forbidden amongst you. So be not unjust to one another.

"O My servants, all of you go astray except the one whom I guide. Ask guidance of Me, and I shall guide you.

"O My servants, all of you go hungry except the one whom I feed. Ask Me for food, and I shall feed you.

"O My servants, all of you go naked except the one whom I clothe. Ask Me for clothing, and I shall clothe you.

"O My servants, you transgress by day and night, but I forgive all misdeeds. Ask forgiveness of Me, and I shall forgive you.

"O My servants, harming Me is beyond you, so you cannot harm Me; and benefiting Me is beyond you, so you cannot benefit Me.

"O My servants, if all of you – first and last, man and jinn – were like the one among you with the most devout heart, that would add nothing to My kingdom.

"O My servants, if all of you – first and last, man and jinn – were like the one among you with the most ungodly heart, that would take nothing away from My kingdom.

"O My servants, if all of you – first and last, man and jinn – were to stand on the same level and address Me with your requests, and if I were to give each one what he had requested, that would not diminish what is with Me, anymore than a needle diminishes the sea when it enters it.

"O My servants, it is solely your deeds that I take account of, and it is by virtue of them that I will repay you. So let him who finds good, praise God, and let him who finds other than that, hold none but himself to blame."
 
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And compare these the supposed words of Jesus



25 For a woman, whose little daughter had an unclean spirit, having heard of him, came and fell down at his feet.

26 Now the woman was a Greek, a Syrophoenician by race. She begged him that he would cast the demon out of her daughter.

27 But Jesus said to her, "Let the children be filled first, for it is not appropriate to take the children's bread and throw it to the dogs."

28 But she answered him, "Yes, Lord. Yet even the dogs under the table eat the children's crumbs."

Peaceful, pointless to argue with him... He doesn't even have a clue here that the passage is talking about that woman's faith and Lord's approval of it. Not His supposed refusal and unlovingness.
 
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Peaceful, pointless to argue with him... He doesn't even have a clue here that the passage is talking about that woman's faith and Lord's approval of it. Not His supposed refusal and unlovingness.

It's kind 'a tuff to understand when your only objective seems to be to not understand.:sigh: Kinda defeats the purpose of acquiring knowledge and becoming wiser.:idea: I guess as long as they live, there is still hope.:thumbsup:
 
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Abdurrahim said:
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Umar said: Some captives were brought to the Messenger of Allah and there was a woman among them whose breasts were full of milk. Suddenly, this woman saw an infant in the midst of the captives. She took hold of it, brought it into her bosom and started suckling it. The Prophet then told the companions, "Do you think that this woman would throw her child in the fire?" We said, "No, By Allah she would not, if she is able not to." He then said, "Allah the Exalted is more merciful with His slave than this woman with her child." (Al-Bukhaaree)
This is what is called 'wet-nursing' as was very common in the West in the Indusrial Revolution days in Great Britain, and is also common with Polynesian people.

In the Indusrial Revolution women used to purposefully send their babies out to wet nurses, so they could easily conceive again, because infant mortality rates were very high. Sometimes it is not love, it can be other things.:)
 
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RE: OP.... hinges on the meaning of "love"

ambiguity, discord, confusion, and disagreement reign when that word is considered.

RE: peaceful soul: "
Godly love is something absent in Islam." ..........
Well, I think that's quite a wild, unjustified, ungrounded statement there! I recognize it is your opinion, which you are entitled to in some sense, anyway. However, I find it difficult to say that a Muslim does not love God and that God does not love a Muslim. Its a bad statement leaky holes all through it, really. And besides, Mohammed is not the sole example of "love" for Muslims, anyway.
 
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Lesseee....

Well, Christianity, Islam, Thelema, Bahai, various new-age groups, Buddhism...

We could go on. It'd probably be easier to list religions that say "No, you don't have to love everyone."
 
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