Love the Sinner hate The Sin?

[GMRELIC]

I have heard this saying "love the sinner hate the sin" used so much, it nearly makes me ill. It has been used so much in reference to homosexuals, maybe trying to hide their own repulsive thoughts on homosexuality, I do think this is a very lame saying, anyone can say it, but do those that use it actually practice what they are saying? Love should be seen in actions, not just words, How many of those that have used that saying actually assicoate with a homosexual at all, How many have actually invited a homosexual to attend a worship service with them and offered to give them a ride to it. How many have had them over for supper? Invited them to a Christmas Party, Donated money to thier causes, Visited them while they were sick in the hospital,
conforted them during the loss of a loved one, volenteered to mow thier yard or clean thier house during a sickness they had, sent them a holliday card or just a thinking of you card, helped them get thier car started when it wouldn't run, offered them a ride somewhere. or any
other act of love and kindness, Telling someone over and over that they are terrible sinners and will never know the kingdom of God is not love, it does not demonstrate love or give any kind of feeling of love to the person it is being directed to. Using the statement Love the sinner hate the sin, without actions of Love is like saying "I totally think you are filthy trash and I compair you to a child molester and murderer, but I guess i love you because the Bible tells me to"
That phrase is used to much as a excuse for people to be able to tell homosexuals they are going to hell, and doing it in the name of God. People have made it very clear how much they hate the sin, but I have seen little evidence of thier love for the sinner.
Actions speak louder than words my friends.

 

[Havoc]

That phrase is more often than not simply an excuse for the fundie to act hatefully toward people he doesn't agree with.

Hate is much more evident in what a person does and how he treats other people than in what he professes. If you act hatefully towards me, and treat me badly, then I'd be very hard pressed to believe your profession of love for me is anything but hypocrisy.

 

[Mustaphile]

That phrase is used to much as a excuse for people to be able to tell homosexuals they are going to hell, and doing it in the name of God. People have made it very clear how much they hate the sin, but I have seen little evidence of thier love for the sinner.
Actions speak louder than words my friends.

I agree.

 

[Arkanin]

I agree.

I refuse to agree when I can concur. It has all the advantages of agreeing, plus an extra letter and 20% more snob appeal. Concurring is a BMW amongst used volkswagons in the forms of agreements and endorsements. Unfortunately, I am too linguistically poor to afford to assent or acquiesce, so I have to settle for concurring (although I pretend when confronted that I simply prefer concurring over acquiescing).

I do agree... I can't remember the last time I heard someone say that specific phrase outside the context of homosexuality, which is certainly suspect in and of itself. I get the impression that part of the problem is that when they use the phrase 'sinner', they're not thinking, 'someone who sins according to my beliefs like me,' but 'someone who is sinning openly in a way that's really gross and involves buttoxes'.

 

[transientlife]

I agree as well. Some think if you claim "love the sinner, hate the sin" it excuses them from their aggressive judgements because they are only trying to "save the sinner from the lake of fire".
How about this novel new mantra: "honestly, truly love the sinner, honestly hate the sin, truly forgive the sinner and in the end mind your own business"

 

[GMRELIC]

That phrase is more often than not simply an excuse for the fundie to act hatefully toward people he doesn't agree with.

Hate is much more evident in what a person does and how he treats other people than in what he professes. If you act hatefully towards me, and treat me badly, then I'd be very hard pressed to believe your profession of love for me is anything but hypocrisy.

You are so right, people can say anything they want, but it is in thier actions
that make their true feeling come out. I think the phrase is used only for the person using its benefit, it makes them feel they can be down right demeaning and hateful, but it is ok with God, because they are saying they love the sinner.

 

[nadroj1985]

Actions speak louder than words, of course, but everyone seems to be dissing the phrase "love the sinner, hate the sin" simply because no one seems to do it. Perhaps we should throw out "Love thy neighbor" as well, eh? We don't becuase it's an ideal, a statement to work towards. It is, of course, impossible to follow completely, but it is still to be striven after. (Is "striven" a word? Meh, you get my point) The point is: "love the sinner, hate the sin" is a noble goal.

 

[kiwichristian]

Loving the sinner, and hating sin, is what God does. I believe in this saying, because God loves us and accepts us despite our sin. By not accepting someone's sinful behaviour, but loving them and accepting them for who they are, is not judging. You can tell a person that what they are doing is wrong, and not accept it, and love them at the same time, because God Himself shines His light upon the good and the bad, as Jesus said. Hence, Christians must do the same.
I believe this saying (love the sinner, hate the sin) sort of relates to Jesus' words: "You have heard that it was said "Love your neighbour and hate your enemy" . But I tell you: love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous" Matthew 5 : 43-46
Doesnt what I just underlined refer to what we have been talking about?

 

[GMRELIC]

I believe this saying (love the sinner, hate the sin) sort of relates to Jesus' words: "You have heard that it was said "Love your neighbour and hate your enemy" . But I tell you: love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous" Matthew 5 : 43-46
Doesnt what I just underlined refer to what we have been talking about?

But that is just words, anyone can say words, IMHO it is actions that show love

 

[praying]

Actions speak louder than words, of course, but everyone seems to be dissing the phrase "love the sinner, hate the sin" simply because no one seems to do it. Perhaps we should throw out "Love thy neighbor" as well, eh? We don't becuase it's an ideal, a statement to work towards. It is, of course, impossible to follow completely, but it is still to be striven after. (Is "striven" a word? Meh, you get my point) The point is: "love the sinner, hate the sin" is a noble goal.

There is another saying that is appropriate:

Good intentions aren't worth a damn!

 

[praying]

Loving the sinner, and hating sin, is what God does.I believe in this saying, because God loves us and accepts us despite our sin . By not accepting someone's sinful behaviour, but loving them and accepting them for who they are, is not judging. You can tell a person that what they are doing is wrong, and not accept it, and love them at the same time, because God Himself shines His light upon the good and the bad, as Jesus said. Hence, Christians must do the same.

I believe this saying (love the sinner, hate the sin) sort of relates to Jesus' words: "You have heard that it was said "Love your neighbour and hate your enemy" . But I tell you: love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous" Matthew 5 : 43-46
Doesnt what I just underlined refer to what we have been talking about?

Yes God does do it and He does love us which is evident in all He gives us and does for us. However we are not God and more often then not, if ever, from the evidence I have seen we hate the sin and the sinner. We are all sinners, so once again we come back around to, why is this phrase only used when referencing homosexuals. I beleive we all fall far to short of God as to presume to judge others, especially fellow believers who profees a love of Christ and are in a lovong monogamous homosexual relationship. Only God knows our heart.

 

[SqueezetheShaman]

damn!

Hey that word isn't censored anymore!

 

[Mϋzikdϋde]

I think the saying is used so much because "Love the sin, hate the sinner" just doesn't work out very well.
One of my all time favorite overused terms is "homophobia" Which is an irrational fear of homosexuality. That one is used to describe anyone who feels homosexuality is a sin or unnatural etc...

I think both sides are equally guilty of intolerance of each other's view points.
I hear alot of agreeing and concurring here. Maybe I should leave iot alone and let this be the first thread that mentions homosexuality where people actually agree with each other.

 

[Mϋzikdϋde]

Hey that word isn't censored anymore!

But what about damned? They always get me when I put an "ed" on the end of it

 

[Outspoken]

I have heard this saying "love the sinner hate the sin" used so much, it nearly makes me ill. It has been used so much in reference to homosexuals, maybe trying to hide their own repulsive thoughts on homosexuality, I do think this is a very lame saying, anyone can say it, but do those that use it actually practice what they are saying? Love should be seen in actions, not just words, How many of those that have used that saying actually assicoate with a homosexual at all, How many have actually invited a homosexual to attend a worship service with them and offered to give them a ride to it. How many have had them over for supper? Invited them to a Christmas Party, Donated money to thier causes, Visited them while they were sick in the hospital,
conforted them during the loss of a loved one, volenteered to mow thier yard or clean thier house during a sickness they had, sent them a holliday card or just a thinking of you card, helped them get thier car started when it wouldn't run, offered them a ride somewhere. or any
other act of love and kindness, Telling someone over and over that they are terrible sinners and will never know the kingdom of God is not love, it does not demonstrate love or give any kind of feeling of love to the person it is being directed to. Using the statement Love the sinner hate the sin, without actions of Love is like saying "I totally think you are filthy trash and I compair you to a child molester and murderer, but I guess i love you because the Bible tells me to"
That phrase is used to much as a excuse for people to be able to tell homosexuals they are going to hell, and doing it in the name of God. People have made it very clear how much they hate the sin, but I have seen little evidence of thier love for the sinner.
Actions speak louder than words my friends.

Yup, probalby because people always focus on the bad part of the statement and ignore those like myself that do love and respect homosexuals they know every bit as much as other sinners. I would ask you to stop focusing on the negative then, maybe its a matter of your perceptions and not our actions?

 

[Volos]

originally posted by : muzikdude

I think the saying is used so much because "Love the sin, hate the sinner" just doesn't work out very well.
One of my all time favorite overused terms is "homophobia" Which is an irrational fear of homosexuality. That one is used to describe anyone who feels homosexuality is a sin or unnatural etc...

Homosphobia: the irrational fear hatred and/or contempt of homosexuals.



Anyone using their religion to jsutify discrimination is a homophobe.



As to the OP. I have never heard the expression at any other time ecept when someone is trying to jsutify hate or discriminaiton.

 

[Volos]

originally posted by : Outspoken

Yup, probalby because people always focus on the bad part of the statement and ignore those like myself that do love and respect homosexuals they know every bit as much as other sinners. I would ask you to stop focusing on the negative then, maybe its a matter of your perceptions and not our actions?

Do you rally believe that the hate, contempt and intolerance you project here to be respectful in any way?

 

[geocajun]

Well I belong to a Church wich is full of sinners, and I do my best to love each one.

That does not stop me from teaching what is morally right and wrong.

Homosexual acts are wrong, and I'll continue to teach that no matter what, however I have no compunction about worshiping next to a homosexual living a chaste lifestyle, or evangelizing to one who isn't.

 

[geocajun]

Homosphobia: the irrational fear hatred and/or contempt of homosexuals.

Anyone using their religion to jsutify discrimination is a homophobe.

Would you make this statement about any moral belief founded in religion, or is it just homosexuality you feel religion cannot speak to the morality of?

 

[Mϋzikdϋde]

The point wasn't the definition of the word, the point was the over use of the word. I have nothing against homosexuality.
Let me rephrase that. I am not homosexual so I guess I have an aversion to it. I'm not willing to try it. I'm Christian so I guess I'm homophobic by default.
It's kind of funny though. Through all those posts where I have defended gay rights it never occured to me that I was going against everything that I stand for.
So I'm left with a choice: Do I try to be homosexual and denounce my faith or do I start gay bashing?
See the problems we cause when we try to simplify a complicated issue with a single definition?