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Love: Eros

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This question is not just for singles, but this seems the most appropriate sub-board to ask this in.

Anyway, my question is this: when someone claims to love someone in a romantic sense and wishes to "go on steady" with that person, what are they looking for/expecting from that person, or the relationship with that person, that cannot be fulfilled by just being friends?
 
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This question is not just for singles, but this seems the most appropriate sub-board to ask this in.

Anyway, my question is this: when someone claims to love someone in a romantic sense and wishes to "go on steady" with that person, what are they looking for/expecting from that person, or the relationship with that person, that cannot be fulfilled by just being friends?

Probably a lot of things. They are looking forward to the possibility of marriage with that person possibly and a deeper more intimate relationship.
 
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what are they looking for/expecting from that person, or the relationship with that person, that cannot be fulfilled by just being friends?

Ya, it's crazy but true. They are looking to be lost and expecting the same from that person just so they can find each other. o_O:p
 
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This here is a great and very relevant question, particularly for me right now.


I've never been married before, nor have I had any long term playing house kinda relationships.


Currently, I am joining in prayer in asking Abba to lead us and guide us, as we acknowledge Him in our way of attraction.

To me "attraction" involves something more than just a friendly draw...there is something more, as the OP suggests, sexual about it. Probably the "burning" the Apostle Paul refers to when speaking of marriage.

So, I believe it's more about how one may foresee procreating with another.

Most importantly though, is the waiting for permission from the Father to embark on such an epic journey into the Promised Land, so to speak...family.
 
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Exclusivity in dating first and foremost, and commitment. In going steady they're not looking to be dating other people and just want to be exclusive in developing that particular relationship. Ideally they're looking to see if this relationship might go to marriage.
There's no commitment in just a friendship, a friendship by definition is non exclusive and isn't developed as something that can lead to marriage, it's more casual by nature.
 
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This question is not just for singles, but this seems the most appropriate sub-board to ask this in.

Anyway, my question is this: when someone claims to love someone in a romantic sense and wishes to "go on steady" with that person, what are they looking for/expecting from that person, or the relationship with that person, that cannot be fulfilled by just being friends?

I'd say romantic and physical affection is a big one. It need not be sexual.
 
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Off-topic, but the thread title makes me wish the English language had different words for 'love' depending on the kind meaning. IE, agape, eros, etc.

well, Romance is for that specific love, but otherwise not really

Off topic myself but it never ceases to make me sad that we have an entire book of the bible about romance, but romance will not be a part of our eternities. I guess when we read song of solomon in eternity it won't really make sense to us anymore.
 
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well, Romance is for that specific love, but otherwise not really

Off topic myself but it never ceases to make me sad that we have an entire book of the bible about romance, but romance will not be a part of our eternities. I guess when we read song of solomon in eternity it won't really make sense to us anymore.

What makes you say romance won't be in eternity?

If this were true, romance would have to be a result of the fall, which I don't believe so.

I mean, we're waiting for the Marriage of all marriages...the romance we think we know is just a shadow of the reality!
 
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What makes you say romance won't be in eternity?

If this were true, romance would have to be a result of the fall, which I don't believe so.

I mean, we're waiting for the Marriage of all marriages...the romance we think we know is just a shadow of the reality!

Jesus is male, I'm male, I'm not marrying Jesus personally, we're not going gay for Jesus and the type of love we experience for Jesus is not eros/romance.

It's not that romance was a part of the fall, it was a part of the original plan, but apparently the plan changed and there's not going to be man and woman being married in the new plan, so no more marriage.
 
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Jesus is male, I'm male, I'm not marrying Jesus personally, we're not going gay for Jesus and the type of love we experience for Jesus is not eros/romance.

It's not that romance was a part of the fall, it was a part of the original plan, but apparently the plan changed and there's not going to be man and woman being married in the new plan, so no more marriage.


Yeah, I think you're focusing a bit much on the carnality of it.
 
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Yeah, I think you're focusing a bit much on the carnality of it.

Carnality is part of our eternity. We are resurrected on bodies, on a new earth with people planting crops and building houses. Jesus didn't "spiritually" resurrect, He physically resurrected.
 
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Carnality is part of our eternity. We are resurrected on bodies, on a new earth with people planting crops and building houses. Jesus didn't "spiritually" resurrect, He physically resurrected.

Okay...so why no Eros?
 
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Okay...so why no Eros?

I don't know, it's a question that's anguishing me myself. God designs man and woman, designs marriage, creates eros love, then.... says change of plans no eros love in eternity only agape everyone's going to be single and celibate?
It doesn't make sense for God to change plans.
But somewhere between the Garden where God said it's not good for the man to be alone, and the time of Jesus, God said it's good for the man to be alone instead.
 
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I don't know, it's a question that's anguishing me myself. God designs man and woman, designs marriage, creates eros love, then.... says change of plans no eros love in eternity only agape everyone's going to be single and celibate?
It doesn't make sense for God to change plans.
But somewhere between the Garden where God said it's not good for the man to be alone, and the time of Jesus, God said it's good for the man to be alone instead.

What is your source(s) for this?
 
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I don't know, it's a question that's anguishing me myself. God designs man and woman, designs marriage, creates eros love, then.... says change of plans no eros love in eternity only agape everyone's going to be single and celibate?
It doesn't make sense for God to change plans.
But somewhere between the Garden where God said it's not good for the man to be alone, and the time of Jesus, God said it's good for the man to be alone instead.

Eros is not about sex. In Plato's Symposium, Diotima (via Socrates) explains that Eros is a striving for beauty. We initially see the beauty in particular people, but if we are wise we seek the source of that beauty. Ultimately, that beauty leads to the form of beauty/goodness. In other words, for us as Christians, that striving for beauty leads us to God who is the source of the beauty and goodness we seek.

You are really downplaying what God has in store for us by assuming if it doesn't involve sex, then we lack something good. The idea is: sex represents a kind of rapture and joy that can only be had in the divine presence. When you enter the presence of pure love what you will experience will, by far, transcend any human to human intimate experience. This life is a shadow of the great hope. If you miss out on the shadows, that doesn't mean you won't be awash in the real thing. You will. I know it's hard, but you will.
 
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What is your source(s) for this?
Genesis 2:18
Matthew 22:30

Eros is not about sex. In Plato's Symposium, Diotima (via Socrates) explains that Eros is a striving for beauty. We initially see the beauty in particular people, but if we are wise we seek the source of that beauty. Ultimately, that beauty leads to the form of beauty/goodness. In other words, for us as Christians, that striving for beauty leads us to God who is the source of the beauty and goodness we seek.

You are really downplaying what God has in store for us by assuming if it doesn't involve sex, then we lack something good. The idea is: sex represents a kind of rapture and joy that can only be had in the divine presence. When you enter the presence of pure love what you will experience will, by far, transcend any human to human intimate experience. This life is a shadow of the great hope. If you miss out on the shadows, that doesn't mean you won't be awash in the real thing. You will. I know it's hard, but you will.

Eros is not about sex by itself I'll agree there.
But it is sexual in nature (that is, it's experienced between male and female, not male and male or female and female, that's just lust biblically speaking), and in proper context, also involves agape. IE a man lives for his wife, a wife lives for her husband, your affections become less self focused and instead focused on someone else, like agape, but in eros it is more possessive and more exclusive, where agape, you might be willing to sacrifice your life for another person out of love... but that person doesn't belong to you in any way, where in eros, there's a mutual belonging between the couple. Paul writes about it in 1 Corinthians 7:4. The "ownership" is equal, they both own each other in a sense.
That is part of intimacy in itself, that you trust a person enough that you're allowing them to kind of own you, and going back to the topic of the thread briefly....
a person who is "going steady" with another person is ideally (obviously the world distorts all things) feeling out whether this other person is someone they can trust on that intimate of a level.
and back to the tangent to address one last issue...
it's not that I downplay the relationship with God. It's that I recognize the relationship with God is qualitatively different from the one you'd have with a spouse. A married couple has mutual belonging, exclusive belonging to each other (and both belong to Christ). The exclusivity in a relationship to Christ is one sided. You belong to Him and in eternity you will belong to Him exclusively because you will not belong to anyone else. But you have no ownership of the creator of the Universe, much less exclusive ownership. You can say as a collective body you have ownership in a sense, but not as an individual. That relationship is not sexual in nature either, not even for female believers. Jesus is not going to be their personal husband, and no man is going to be going gay for Jesus (and it revolts me that some people do teach along that line of personally being Christ's bride as a male believer. Yuck.). You're not going to be describing body parts of your Lord and Savior like the poetry of Song of Solomon. You're not going to be cuddling and kissing the Christ.
Essentially.. they're so qualitatively different that they're not directly comparable. Please PLEASE don't bring up the CS Lewis quote... because I find that analogy to be horrendously inept and bad, and frankly stupid. Chocolate and sex are not directly comparable, and nobody says "I had sex so now I never want chocolate again". In fact some people still enjoy chocolate long after they stopped enjoying sex.

But what I lament about it, is not the loss of the physical act (although that is a part of that relationship to be that intimate), but rather the mutual exclusive sense of belonging.
I've never belonged to a woman
and no woman has belonged to me.
and that is lonely.
it is even more lonely to realize that that status is permanent and eternal.
 
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But what I lament about it, is not the loss of the physical act (although that is a part of that relationship to be that intimate), but rather the mutual exclusive sense of belonging.
I've never belonged to a woman
and no woman has belonged to me.
and that is lonely.
it is even more lonely to realize that that status is permanent and eternal

Yeah, I hear what you're saying. That's really hard. I wish you would have that experience of intimacy and "belonging" with a woman. I don't know what to say. We assume it will be so much better than anything we experience here, even better than the intimacy between a man and woman, and I believe that. But, I guess that comes across as unhelpful when all one wants is that experience. I get that.
 
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Yeah, I hear what you're saying. That's really hard. I wish you would have that experience of intimacy and "belonging" with a woman. I don't know what to say. We assume it will be so much better than anything we experience here, even better than the intimacy between a man and woman, and I believe that. But, I guess that comes across as unhelpful when all one wants is that experience. I get that.

See that's the thing, I don't see things as being directly comparable so it's not a "better" or "worse" but rather they each have unique qualities that are not substituted by one or the other.
to be honest, when people do treat it as directly comparable and that it's just "better" and "you won't even think you missed out on anything", it makes me think of them as junkies in a way. Because that's what Junkies do. They seek the greatest singular source of pleasure for them, to the point of ignoring everything else. They serve their master (their addiction). I'll get told that I'm missing the forest for the trees but that's who I am, I'm a very detail oriented person. I overthink things. Due to that, while other people may gloss over the qualitative differences between 1 relationship and another and just say "Jesus is better" where I look at both relationships as being so different and both irreplaceable, because of qualitative details like.. a marriage between a man and a woman you're on relatively equal status, where relationship with God/Jesus He is so much beyond you that you can't even argue with Him (unlike husbands and wives who I know, argue frequently, and I don't entirely consider that a negative thing, I enjoy a good argument.. as long as it's tempered by love and in the end you both agree to love each other and make up)
 
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Genesis 2:18
Matthew 22:30


So...one verse, for no more romantic love in heaven?

Let's say you have the context correct and this is for everybody,

What about the unions that already have taken place before the Resurrection?

You believe any woman you marry right now will be ripped away from you for all eternity?
 
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