Lots of Posts aabout "Falling" Into Sexual Sin

[valuecard]

If someone has been "released from a wife" (KJV "loosed from a wife", Greek "λέλυσαι ἀπὸ γυναικός"), then Paul ("I, not the Lord") says he should not seek marriage, but if he does marriage, he has not sinned.

This ONLY applies applies when one of the pair is a christian and one is NOT a christian. If you try and make christiasn marriages think they can divorce based on this scripture you will lead them into the snare of adultery

 

[Bootstrap]

This ONLY applies applies when one of the pair is a christian and one is NOT a christian. If you try and make christiasn marriages think they can divorce based on this scripture you will lead them into the snare of adultery

You are right in saying that 1 Corinthians 7 tells Christians not to divorce, but it certainly does not say that someone who has been abandoned by their spouse must consider themselves married as long as their spouse is alive. If you've been released from a spouse, it is not a sin to marry, that's precisely what the passage says.

 

[Virginia87106]

The conservative Christian view on divorce is the height of hypocrisy. They hold the few verses on homosexuality literally, but the divorce verses they treat with VERY liberal interpretation. If a Christian gets divorced and adultery is not involved then according to the LITERAL interpretation they HAVE to remain single as long as their ex-spouse lives.
All the verbage on God forgives us is baloney unless you confess (rightly) that the scripture is not to be taken literally.
I personally agree that a divorse spouse can remarry, and I rightly also assume that 2 men or women who are committed to each other can also marry.

 

[Bootstrap]

The conservative Christian view on divorce is the height of hypocrisy. They hold the few verses on homosexuality literally, but the divorce verses they treat with VERY liberal interpretation. If a Christian gets divorced and adultery is not involved then according to the LITERAL interpretation they HAVE to remain single as long as their ex-spouse lives.
All the verbage on God forgives us is baloney unless you confess (rightly) that the scripture is not to be taken literally.
I personally agree that a divorse spouse can remarry, and I rightly also assume that 2 men or women who are committed to each other can also marry.

I disagree.

Taken literally, I think Scripture allows divorce for sexual infidelity (Mathew 5, Matthew 19) or abandonment (1 Corinthians 7).

Taken literally, I don't think Scripture allows for gay sex.

The New Testament does not often speak about gay sex, and never of gay marriage. But when Jesus speaks of marriage, he says that marriage is rooted in our creation as male and female:

Matthew 19:4-6

He answered, "Have you not read that from the beginning the Creator made
them male and female, and said, 'For this reason a man will leave
his father and mother and will be united with his wife, and the two will
become one flesh'? So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore
what God has joined together, let no one separate."

When Paul writes about gay sex, he clearly does not approve of either gay or lesbian sex, using phrases like "dishonorable passions" or "shameless acts" (Romans 1:26-27), putting gay sex together with sexual immorality, adultery, theft, greed, drunkenness, verbal abuse, and swindling in one list of sins (1 Cor 6:9), and with killing your father or mother, murder, sexual immorality, kidnapping, and lying in another (1 Tim 1:10). So I think our message to someone engaged in gay sex should be "sin no more", as Jesus told the woman caught in adultery. On the other hand, I think that gays and lesbians, practicing or not, should be welcome in our pews, along with the rest of us sinners. We should follow the example of Jesus in welcoming people of all kinds. However, I do not think the church should conduct marriages among gays or lesbians. For church membership, I would treat gay sex consistently with other forms of sex outside of marriage.

 

[Johnnz]

The conservative Christian view on divorce is the height of hypocrisy. They hold the few verses on homosexuality literally, but the divorce verses they treat with VERY liberal interpretation. If a Christian gets divorced and adultery is not involved then according to the LITERAL interpretation they HAVE to remain single as long as their ex-spouse lives.
All the verbage on God forgives us is baloney unless you confess (rightly) that the scripture is not to be taken literally.
I personally agree that a divorse spouse can remarry, and I rightly also assume that 2 men or women who are committed to each other can also marry.

Does this mean there is now another unforgivable sin?

A truly literal interpretation requires that we understand what the original author and the original audience understood from the words that Jesus spoke. When you do that, i.e take into account the full context, those scriptures do not say what some say they say.

There is not space on a post here to give an adequate exegesis, but I can supply one to an email address if anyone wishes to PM me about that.

John
NZ

 

[bithiah2]

i heard something at a Bible Study that was really profound. the minister said: "It is a dangerous thing to love anyone so much that you would violate God's Word to 'hook-up' with them".

selah

 

[SuperPhil]

Does this mean there is now another unforgivable sin?

A truly literal interpretation requires that we understand what the original author and the original audience understood from the words that Jesus spoke. When you do that, i.e take into account the full context, those scriptures do not say what some say they say.

There is not space on a post here to give an adequate exegesis, but I can supply one to an email address if anyone wishes to PM me about that.

John
NZ

I would love a PM explaining how I can biblically divorce. Or after the divorce marry again, and then divorce again, then marry again until i'm old!

Phil
NY

 

[SuperPhil]

I disagree.

Taken literally, I think Scripture allows divorce for sexual infidelity (Mathew 5, Matthew 19) or abandonment (1 Corinthians 7).

Where in 1 Corinthians 7 does it say that divorce is ok?

This is all i could come up with
10To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband. 11But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife.

How do people get past that?

 

[Johnnz]

I would love a PM explaining how I can biblically divorce. Or after the divorce marry again, and then divorce again, then marry again until i'm old!

Phil
NY

I would be happy to supply one even though you know how wrong it will be. Plus, that parody of what I don't believe about marriage falls below Christian grace.

If you want to read something then PM your email address to me - which is what I said to do in my first post.

John
NZ

 

[SuperPhil]

I would be happy to supply one even though you know how wrong it will be.

Oh, then no thank you.

Plus, that parody of what I don't believe about marriage falls below Christian grace.

I know you said it would be to much for a post, but do you care to elaborate even a little bit?

 

[Johnnz]

Let's try.

In Jesus' day there were two schools of Rabbis. One held to a traditional view on divorce - OK for adultery and of course death ended any marriage. Moses recognised human sinfulness and thereby allowed for divorce in other circumstances. The other school was very liberal. They used the teachings of Moses to justify divorce for almost any reason.

It was this second group that Jesus confronted by appealing to the creation narrative to point out that marriage, not divorce was God's blueprint. Jesus affirmed the traditional school, but in no way was He withdrawing or 'tightening up' on some additional ground granted under the Mosaic law.

That Jesus was not giving a general teaching on divorce, but addressing a specific issue is clear from Paul. Paul affirmed Jesus teaching (hence their similarity), but he also added another reason - an unbelieving spouse (most probably the husband) not wanting to remain married to a believer.

That's it in a nutshell.

Incidentally, Jesus reference to looking at a woman with intent refers to that liberal school. They would see a women who they preferred to their current wife, and according to their teaching, they could legitimately divorce leaving them free to remarry. Jesus challenged their self proclaimed righteousness by telling them they were adulterers. That is what his reference to 'commits adultery' in Mat 5:22 is about.

John
NZ

 

[98cwitr]

My take on all these posts about courtingcouples falling into sexual sin!

Stop hanging out at each others homes...go out to eat, play mini-golf, go hiking, take a road trip, go shopping, go to the movies, go to a coffee house, etc.

I don't understand why during courtship so many people stay in and don't go out...no wonder all this sexual sin happens. This is time to have fun and go out in public, your courting each other, and should not be seeing how far you can go with each other!

I'm in my 30's, and currently dating with the sole purpose of getting married again. I think us Christians should refuse to be in a situation where this can happen. It is only allowing the devil to get a foot hold!

hey, honestly...I like "carrying on" to a point...it is about self control, God did give you the ability to overcome emotions and urges, enact them!