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Hi Everyone,


I don't really know how to start this off, so I'm sorry if my wording sounds weird to you.

About four or five years ago, I lost my faith in Jesus. I was so confused, and there were so many different things about Christianity that I didn't understand. One question I had was, "How do I know if God even exists? How can I tell?". I tried to call out to God, but I never got an answer. I never felt like Christianity was a part of me. Then three years ago, I learned about Paganism. I loved that I was free to decide what I wanted to do with the religion. I could structure it myself. I loved it.

But, about three years ago, I started to like one of my friends' brother. I've liked him even since. I realized, that if we were to ever get into a relationship, my religion would be the end of it. His family strictly believes that they have to marry within their own religion. Ever since then, I have been thinking about coming back to Christianity.

I tried, about a year and a half ago, to call out to Jesus and repent my sins, but I felt nothing. I didn't feel like I had any connection at all with God. So, I gave up again.

Now to the present. I'm sick of following Paganism. I want to connect with God. I want to be Christian. I just get so frustrated when I don't feel anything when I try to pray or read the Bible. I guess I just need some advice and guidance. I don't have a church that I can go to, because my parents aren't religious, and they would just taunt me with, "What happened to being a witch?" and then they would probably laugh. Also, I tried to go to church with my friends' family, but I didn't connect with the Pastor or the atmosphere of the Church. I just don't know what to do.

So do you think that you could give me some advice/help/guidance? And prayers would be greatly appreciated.



Thanks Everyone,

-Anna
 
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I don't know that anything I say will help, but I'll share my own experience with you.

I think a lot of people go through similar things. I did. I was never Pagan, but I see the allure. I had a lot of Pagan friends when I was your age. I turned away from Christianity for a few years. I had issues with just about everything I was raised to believe. I really wanted the Church I read about in the NT to be real, but I never saw it anywhere and it seriously depressed me.

Long story short, I was a jaded and bitter individual. I felt I had good reason to be as I had a lot of negative religious/spiritual experiences. I understand where people are coming from who are angry, because I can relate to an extent. However, my bitterness began to turn into hatred of all things Christian, to the point where I started to see that I was becoming the sort of person I didn't want to be. I didn't like myself at all.

I didn't give up my search though. I read a lot. I sent desperate, pleading prayers out for God (if He even existed) to lead me to the truth. It was coming across Orthodox Christianity on the net that piqued my interest. I thought I knew everything about Christianity- enough to know that all the groups I was familiar with weren't going to cut it for me. I found the only Orthodox book at my local Barnes and Noble and bought the beat up and bent copy of it. I read it, I was cautious about it, I tried to dismiss it (but it kept coming to mind), and I eventually decided that I wanted to go visit an Orthodox church.

I was very reluctant to go back to any sort of church again. The first Sunday my husband (who was agnostic at the time) and I even turned around in the church parking lot and went out for coffee instead. However, we eventually made our way in for Divine Liturgy.

How does one explain to someone else about experiencing the presence of God? All I knew was that it wasn't simply my own emotions wreaking havoc with me- some things come from outside of ourselves- and people who know themselves well can discern this difference. (I was raised Pentecostal and I am rather immune to situations designed to manipulate emotions.) It was like being confronted with all of the answers to my questions after my long search. I knew I had to convert. God was there. Christ is in the Eucharist- which is something I had difficulty accepting as I was raised to accept a very different thing as being the truth- but have certainly experienced beyond a doubt since my Chrismation. Can I prove this to you? No. Were our personal experiences enough to prove it to me and my husband? Yes.

I essentially discovered a Christianity that is an entirely different religion from what I knew before. I had to start over again completely. I couldn't go back to what I thought I knew and believed. I just couldn't. There was something missing there, or I wouldn't have been unhappy enough to leave in the first place. We have the same holy scriptures and belief in the trinity, but everything else is radically different. I somehow knew it was my only chance when I discovered the Orthodox Church.

Except, I personally need the Church. I can't go it alone. I need the liturgy, I need the Eucharist, I need the prayers of the Church, and I especially need all of the sacraments of Christ's Holy Church . I need to go the hospital for what ails me; the ark of our salvation. I need the medicine of immortality.

My advice to you is to pray and to persevere in it. Feelings are fickle and you shouldn't rely on them. Learning to continue in faith and prayer even when I'm not feeling up, but down, or not much at all is quite difficult. I never knew how to pray either, so when I came across a prayer book, I started using it. It was a great comfort to me, especially the Prayer of the Heart: "Lord Jesus Christ, son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner."

Here are others you might use:

The Trisagion Prayers
In the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Amen.
O heavenly King, O Comforter, the Spirit of truth, who art in all places and fillest all things; Treasury of good things and Giver of life: Come and dwell in us and cleanse us from every stain, and save our souls, O gracious Lord.
Holy God, Holy Mighty, Holy Immortal: have mercy on us. (Thrice)
Glory to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit: now and ever and unto ages of ages. Amen.
All-holy Trinity, have mercy on us. Lord, cleanse us from our sins. Master, pardon our iniquities. Holy God, visit and heal our infirmities for thy Name's sake.
Lord, have mercy. (Thrice)
Glory to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit: now and ever, and unto ages of ages. Amen.
Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy Name; thy kingdom come; thy will be done on earth, as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread; and forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us; and lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.
Through the prayers of our holy Fathers, Lord Jesus Christ our God, have mercy on us and save us. Amen.


Troparia of Thanksgiving
Now that the day has come to a close, I thank thee, O Lord, and I ask that the evening with the night may be sinless; grant this to me, O Saviour, and save me.
Glory to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit.
Now that the day hath passed, I glorify thee, O Master, and I ask that the evening, with the night may be without offence; grant this to me, O Saviour, and save me.
Both now and ever, and unto ages of ages. Amen.
Now that the day hath run its course, I praise thee, O Holy One, and I ask that the evening with the night may be undisturbed; grant this to me, O Saviour, and save me.
Lord, have mercy. (12 times)

A Prayer for Forgiveness
O Lord our God, if during this day I have sinned, whether in word or deed or thought, forgive me all, for thou art good and lovest mankind. Grant me peaceful and undisturbed sleep, and deliver me from all influence and temptation of the evil one. Raise me up again in proper time that I may glorify thee; for thou art blessed: with thine Only-begotten Son and thine All-holy Spirit: now and ever, and unto ages of ages. Amen.

The Creed
I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible;
And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the Only-begotten, Begotten of the Father before all worlds, Light of Light, Very God of Very God, Begotten, not made; of one essence with the Father, by whom all things were made:
Who for us men and for our salvation came down from heaven, and was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary, and was made man;
And was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate, and suffered and was buried;
And the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures;
And ascended into heaven, and sitteth at the right hand of the Father;
And He shall come again with glory to judge the quick and the dead, Whose kingdom shall have no end.
And I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, and Giver of Life, Who proceedeth from the Father, Who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified, Who spake by the Prophets;
And I believe in One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.
I acknowledge one Baptism for the remission of sins.
I look for the Resurrection of the dead.
And the Life of the world to come. Amen.
O Christ our God, who at all times and in every hour, in heaven and on earth, art worshipped and glorified; who art long-suffering, merciful and compassionate; who lovest the just and showest mercy upon the sinner; who callest all to salvation through the promise of blessings to come; O Lord, in this hour receive our supplications, and direct our lives according to thy commandments. Sanctify our souls, hallow our bodies, correct our thoughts, cleanse our minds; deliver us from all tribulation, evil and distress. Encompass us with thy holy Angels, that guided and guarded by them, we may attain to the unity of the faith and to the knowledge of thine unapproachable glory, for thou art blessed unto ages of ages. Amen.
Here may be added your own private devotions and intercessions, using your own words or the "Occasional Prayers". When you have finished, conclude with this prayer:
Through the prayers of our holy Fathers, Lord Jesus Christ our God, have mercy upon us and save us. Amen.
As you lie down to sleep, say:
Into thy hands, O Lord, I commend my soul and my body. Do thou thyself bless me, have mercy upon me, and grant me life eternal. Amen.

HYMN TO THE THEOTOKOS (From the Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom)
It is truly meet to bless thee, O Theotokos, who art ever blessed and all-blamelesss, and the mother of our God. More honorable than the Cherubim, and more glorious beyond compare than the Seraphim, thou who without stain barest God the Word, and art truly Theotokos: we magnify thee.

THE ANGELIC SALUTATION Hail! Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee, O Virgin Theotokos: Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, for thou hast borne the Saviour of our souls.

A PRAYER OF REPENTANCE O Lord our God, good and merciful, I acknowledge all my sins which I have committed every day of my life, in thought, word and deed; in body and soul alike. I am heartily sorry that I have ever offended thee, and I sincerely repent; with tears I humbly pray thee, O Lord: of thy mercy forgive me all my past transgressions and absolve me from them. I firmly resolve, with the help of Thy Grace, to amend my way of life and to sin no more; that I may walk in the way of the righteous and offer praise and glory to the Name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Amen.

A PRAYER OF PARENTS FOR THEIR CHILDREN AND FOR RELATIVES AND FRIENDS O God, our heavenly Father, who lovest mankind, and art most merciful and compassionate, have mercy upon thy servants (Name those whom you wish to remember) for whom I humbly pray thee, and commend to thy gracious care and protection. Be thou, O God, their guide and guardian in all their endeavors, lead them in the path of thy truth, and draw them nearer to thee, that they may lead a godly and righteous life in thy love and fear; doing thy will in all things. Give them grace that they may be temperate, industrious, dilligent, devout and charitable. Defend them against the assaults of the enemy, and grant them wisdom and strength to resist all temptation and corruption of this life; and direct them in the way of salvation, through the merits of thy Son, our Saviour Jesus Christ, and the intercessions of his Holy Mother and thy blessed Saints. Amen.

A GENERAL INTERCESSION O Lord Jesus Christ our God, who in thy mercy and all-loving kindness dost regard the prayers of all who call upon thee with their whole heart, incline thine ear and hear my prayer, now humbly offered unto thee: Be mindful, O Lord, of thy Holy Orthodox Catholic and Apostolic Church; confirm and strengthen it, increase it and keep it in peace, and preserve it unconquerable forever; Be mindful, O Lord, of our Metropolitan N., and of every Bishop of the Orthodox; of Priests and Deacons and all the Clergy of thy Church, which thou hast established to feed the flock of the Word; and by their prayers have mercy upon me and save me, a sinner.
Be mindful, O Lord, of all civil Authorities, of our Armed Forces, of this city in which we dwell, and of every city and land; grant us peaceful times, that we may lead a calm and tranquil life in all godliness and sanctity.
Be mindful, O Lord, of my parents, my brothers and sisters, my relatives and friends, and all who are near and dear to me, (name those who you wish to remember), and grant them mercy, life, peace, health, salvation and visitation, and pardon and remission of sins; that they may evermore praise and glorifiy thy holy Name.
Be mindful, O Lord, of those who travel by land, and sea, and air; of the young and the old; orphans and widows; the sick and the suffering; the sorrowing and the afflicted, all captives, and the needy poor; upon them all send forth thy mercies, for thou art the Giver of all good things.
Be mindful, O Lord, of me, thy humble servant; grant me thy grace, that I may be diligent and faithful; that I may avoid evil company and influence, and resist all temptation; that I may lead a godly and righteous life, blameless and peaceful, ever serving thee, that I may be accounted worthy at the last to enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.
Be mindful, O Lord, of all those who have fallen asleep in the hope of resurrection unto life eternal, especially N., NN.; pardon all their transgressions both voluntary and involuntary, whether in word, or deed, or thought. Shelter them in a place of verdure, a place of repose, whence all sickness, sorrow and sighing have fled away, and where the sight of thy countenance rejoiceth all thy Saints from all the ages. Grant them thy heavenly Kingdom, and a portion in thine ineffable and eternal blessings, and the enjoyment of thine unending Life.
Hear my prayer, O Lord, for thou art merciful and compassionate, and lovest mankind, and to thee are due all glory, honor, and worship: to the Father and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit: now and ever, and unto ages of ages. Amen.


Psalm 50
 
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Thank you so much for posting. It truly means a lot. Hearing about different people and their personal struggles, inspires me a lot. I don't have a prayer book . . . but I'm sure I could look something up online.

Also, you brought up another issue that was confusing me. All the different denominations of the Church. There are so many, and I am confused because I just don't know which one to look into. Do you have any advice on how to sift through all of the information on the different denominations without overwhelming myself?
 
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Thank you so much for posting. It truly means a lot. Hearing about different people and their personal struggles, inspires me a lot. I don't have a prayer book . . . but I'm sure I could look something up online.

Also, you brought up another issue that was confusing me. All the different denominations of the Church. There are so many, and I am confused because I just don't know which one to look into. Do you have any advice on how to sift through all of the information on the different denominations without overwhelming myself?


Oh, this is a big one. I overwhelmed myself going there. My reasoning went along the lines of, if God isn't the author of confusion, then why do so many different Christian groups believe vastly different things, yet still seem to accept each other as fellow Christians? Either they're all wrong, or there has to be a group that is correct on all accounts. I figured that the latter didn't exist and left Christianity. When learning about Christianity, my advice is to start with history. Read the NT and then read the Early Church Fathers. You will quickly learn that the Early Church was nothing like 90 plus percent of 'denominations' you see today.

Here is an on-line prayer book if you're interested: http://antiochian.org/orthodox-prayers

http://antiochian.org/discoveringorthodoxchristianity

http://fatheralexander.org/page13.htm
 
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First we need to take one day at a time here. In addition, feel free to email me anytime. I'm sorry your parents arn't helping. Personally, its hard to laugh with your parents because its not at all a laughing matter but quite serious. It can be very confusing because there are many denominations. In addition to all this, there are christians out there who are imposters and they don't walk the walk. I understand if new christians don't walk the walk at first because they are new and are babys in Christ the Bible says.

About 30 years ago I was searching for something more as I knew there was more to life than just going to work and coming home. Plus, I knew there was a God out there and that his name was Jesus. I was brought up in an organized christian denomination but now I'm nondenominational - because of personal preference. I gave my life to Christ as a coworker witnessed to me. I really didn't know about Jesus because the denomination that I grew up in didn't really teach the Bible but you just went through the motions - it was legalistic and systematic with no true basic biblical understanding of it all. After I repented and got water baptized - then I asked God for the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit gives one the power to live a christian life as without it its not possible. Our human effort alone can't do it. The Holy Spirit along with the Bible (Gods Word) help us grow in the Spirit (Holy Spirit) and we die daily to our flesh. Its a lifelong lifestyle and commitment. Its like we grow like a plant spiritually in Christ - this takes time and its not an instant thing. You can't go by "feelings" alone as they are up and down but you must go by your will. I felt so empty spiritually inside and I was so spiritually hungry that I found what I needed. Its true that once you find Jesus you never thirst again spiritually.

What I would suggest is that you find a church that believes the bible, prays and is serious about living for God. Also, find christian friends that are inspirational and uplifting for you spiritually - not phoney christians. Thus, they take the Great Commission seriously. Some churches out there are just for social reasons or they are a christian country club.

***God does hear your prayers. Your not on this website by accident.

I'm a christian spiritually first and intellectually second. A book called The Evidence That Demands A Verdict by Josh McDowell (it would stand up in a court of law concerning biblical evidence). And Examine the Evidence by Muncaster (a former athiest). There are more books but this isn't the book section here.
 
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Thank you both for posting.

salida: Yes. I should take things one day at a time. And, I suppose I could try to find a church nearby that another one of my friends go to . . . I've tried the Baptist Church one of my friends go to, but my mom didn't like what they were teaching, so I can't go back there. I know that there's a Catholic Church near my school that a lot of my fellow students go to, but I've heard weird things about Catholics on TV, so I don't know if I should go there or not. I'll figure out something though,


seashale76: Thank you for the link to the prayer book. I'll be sure to check it out. Oh, and I've heard a lot of people that say I should read the New Testament before the Old Testament. Why is that?


-Anna
 
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Again, if you have anymore questions always email me. I was 19 when I found the Lord. Thanks very much for the email that you did send so far. Other resources online are www.christiananswers.com and CRI (Christian Research Institute) under answers or resources. This isn't an exhaustive list but its a start. God will lead you and plant you. I'm not going to promote any denomination but I went to one that I feel was the most biblically based. Some denominations seem to differ when it comes to tradition - some have more than others. Also, I have stayed away from legalism - as its oppressive and not biblical but its man made doctrine ingrained along with the bible in some church teachings. I don't know if this helps at all but you may want to visit the the denomination test - http://www.selectsmart.com/FREE/select.php?client=denom
 
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seashale76: Thank you for the link to the prayer book. I'll be sure to check it out. Oh, and I've heard a lot of people that say I should read the New Testament before the Old Testament. Why is that?

You can, of course, read the OT, and I didn't mean to imply you shouldn't. We believe that the NT is the fulfillment of the promises of the OT. The reason why most people recommend you read the NT before the OT is because the NT deals explicitly with the incarnation of Christ and our salvation.

It is important to understand that the entire Old Testament prefigures Christ. Everything that occurred was in preparation for our salvation. All of the Jewish feasts and festivals have been transfigured by the Christ.

We believe that the Old Testament can only be understood in a New Testament way, in the light of the Church. The Old Testament contains the preparation for the coming of Christ, promises, prophecies, and types or antitypes of Christ. The events of the OT being the shadow and the events of the NT being the truth and fulfillment. A big example of this is Isaac being offered as a sacrifice (that was rejected) points directly to Christ's death on the Cross.

As an example, when you look at Moses' account of the fall into sin, it is an interesting parallel to the parable of the Prodigal Son. The son left and fell into grief and suffering. However, it also gives us hope that we can always return. The incarnation of Christ made this possible.

Here are just a few other examples:

Adam and Christ
Eve and the Mother of God
Earthly paradise and Heavenly paradise
Sin through Woman and Salvation through the Virgin
Eating the fruit bringing death and partaking of the Holy Gifts bringing life
The forbidden tree and the saving Cross
The serpent/deceiver and Gabriel preaching good tidings
Woman told she will bring forth children in sorrow and the women at the tomb are told to Rejoice
Salvation from the flood in the ark and salvation in the Church
The three strangers with Abraham and the Holy Trinity
Jacob's ladder and the Mother of God (the ladder of the Son of God's descent to earth)
The sale of Joseph and Christ's betrayal
Slavery in Egypt and the spiritual slavery of man
Crossing the Red Sea and Holy Baptism
The burning/unconsumed bush and the perpetual virginity of the Theotokos
The Sabbath and the day of Resurrection
Circumcision and Baptism
Manna and the Lord's Supper
The Law of Moses and the Law of the Gospel
Sinai and the Sermon on the Mount
The tabernacle and the NT Church
The Ark of the Covenant and the Theotokos
The serpent on the staff and Christ nailed to the Cross
Aaron's rod and our rebirth in Christ
 
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Thanks again, both of you!

salida: Thanks for all of your advice and the links. And if I have any questions, I shall be sure to email them to you! :)

seashale76; Thanks for the answer! And I knew that you didn't imply that I shouldn't read the Old Testament, I had just heard that you should read the New Testament first from other sources. And thanks for all of the examples. That helps me out a lot. :)
 
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Let me offer this to you, first, don't come to Christ because you want a relationship with someone else. Christ is about a relationship with Him.

Second thing here is that Christianity isn't about some warm fuzzy. Let me see, how to explain this. when I came to Christ, I was totally in love with Him. But as I learned more, what I found was all these emotional people and I wanted some of that. So began a quest to find that emotion side of God. Soon, I learned that I already had what they were finding, I just wasn't all that emotional about it. In other words, God isn't about emotionalism.

One last thing, salvation isn't about repentance, I know that is what most people teach, but if you study the Word, it says, that salvation is about belief. Reconciliation is about repentance. Point is this, if you believe, you are compelled to reconcile, not the other way around. So the question we ask is do you believe that Jesus is the Christ, the savior of the world, the Messiah, God? If the answer is yes, then we get to deal with how to reconcile and how to grow in His love for you.
 
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Let me offer this to you, first, don't come to Christ because you want a relationship with someone else. Christ is about a relationship with Him.

Yes . . . I see that now. I think that a little while after I started thinking about coming back to God because of the boy I liked, I realized that I wanted to be loved by Jesus and love him back. I wanted a relationship with Him. So now, it's not the boy that's driving my need to come back (even though that's what started things), it's the fact that I really want to have a relationship with God.

Second thing here is that Christianity isn't about some warm fuzzy. Let me see, how to explain this. when I came to Christ, I was totally in love with Him. But as I learned more, what I found was all these emotional people and I wanted some of that. So began a quest to find that emotion side of God. Soon, I learned that I already had what they were finding, I just wasn't all that emotional about it. In other words, God isn't about emotionalism.

Oh. I didn't know that. I thought that all people were very emotional when it came to God. Thank you for saying that.


One last thing, salvation isn't about repentance, I know that is what most people teach, but if you study the Word, it says, that salvation is about belief. Reconciliation is about repentance. Point is this, if you believe, you are compelled to reconcile, not the other way around. So the question we ask is do you believe that Jesus is the Christ, the savior of the world, the Messiah, God? If the answer is yes, then we get to deal with how to reconcile and how to grow in His love for you.

See that's the thing. I want to believe that Jesus is Christ, and that he died on the cross for our sins, but I just don't see how to do it. I just get confused whenever I think about it. My question is: how do I start believing? :confused:
 
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See that's the thing. I want to believe that Jesus is Christ, and that he died on the cross for our sins, but I just don't see how to do it. I just get confused whenever I think about it. My question is: how do I start believing? :confused:


How is one saved? Faith is the ultimate action word. One who has faith will do.


Salvation happened in the past. Via the incarnation (specifically the hypostatic union), it became possible for us to attain theosis. To one in the Church (a Christian), we are being saved. If we persevere, we will be saved in the future. Those in the Church are part of the body of Christ and have the Holy Trinity living in them. Through the life of the Church, the Holy Mysteries, and the power of the Holy Spirit, we are empowered to do good works. Anyone living out their life in the Church will be changed/transfigured. This is only possible through the life, death, and resurrection of Christ. We must daily pick up our cross and follow Him. Christ’s suffering death on the cross and resurrection made it possible for us to now have a way through suffering and a way to reconcile ourselves to God (abolishing sin and death) through his human nature. Christ’s ultimate act of suffering love gives us His saving companionship and grace. We can literally be baptized into Christ as part of His body (Church/Israel). Through our life in the Church, the ultimate hospital for sinners, we hope to one day attain theosis and participate in the divine energies of God.

Belief is a matter of dying for Christ and His commandments. It is believing that such a death is life-giving. It is to count poverty as riches, and to consider the lowest humiliation as true honor and nobility. Faith is believing that when one has nothing, one has everything. More than this, it is to possess the incomprehensible riches of the knowledge of Christ and to look upon all visible things as but clay and smoke. St. Symeon the New Theologian, The Practical and Theological Chapters



The problem of our life is union with God, and sin completely prevents this; therefore flee from sin as from a terrible enemy, as from the destroyer of the soul, because to be without God is death and not life. Let us therefore understand our destination; let us always remember that our common Master calls us to union with Himself. -St. John of Kronstadt (My Life in Christ, Part 1; Holy Trinity Monastery pg. 20)



If you wish to save your soul and win eternal life, arise from your lethargy, make the sign of the Cross and say: In the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost. Amen. Faith comes not through pondering but through action. Not words and speculation but experience teaches us what God is. To let in fresh air we have to open a window; to get tanned we must go out into the sunshine. Achieving faith is no different; we never reach a goal by just sitting in comfort and waiting, say the Holy Fathers. Let the Prodigal Son be our example. He "arose and came" (Luke 15:20). -Tito Colliander The Way of the Ascetics.



One must be baptized into Christ. The Church is the body of Christ, our hospital, where we partake of the Holy Mysteries. It is the ark of our salvation.











 
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Yes . . . I see that now. I think that a little while after I started thinking about coming back to God because of the boy I liked, I realized that I wanted to be loved by Jesus and love him back. I wanted a relationship with Him. So now, it's not the boy that's driving my need to come back (even though that's what started things), it's the fact that I really want to have a relationship with God.



Oh. I didn't know that. I thought that all people were very emotional when it came to God. Thank you for saying that.




See that's the thing. I want to believe that Jesus is Christ, and that he died on the cross for our sins, but I just don't see how to do it. I just get confused whenever I think about it. My question is: how do I start believing? :confused:
I honestly think it's different for each of us, and I think it starts with seeking to know who He really is. For me it was pretty simple, I was just a child and my life was out of control. Had I been old enough to know what suicide was, I probably would have tried that direction. But instead, I figured that this world couldn't just happen, it had to be created. If it was created, the creator would not create something greater than Himself, and so all I had to do to survive, was to become a part of that creator, the creator who was bigger and greater than my problems. That is all it took for me.

Our pastor just talked about this the other day, for him, it was miracles he saw while in India.

for my husband, I'm not sure, he grew up a pastors kid and missionary kid, so he kind of saw God his whole life, there wasn't a question.

I have a dear friend who is the son of an ex voodoo priest. He saw the freedom God offered and that was enough for Him.

Let me ask you this, what would it take for you to believe? A miracle, an emotional experience, logic, etc.?
 
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Yes . . . I see that now. I think that a little while after I started thinking about coming back to God because of the boy I liked, I realized that I wanted to be loved by Jesus and love him back. I wanted a relationship with Him. So now, it's not the boy that's driving my need to come back (even though that's what started things), it's the fact that I really want to have a relationship with God.



Oh. I didn't know that. I thought that all people were very emotional when it came to God. Thank you for saying that.




See that's the thing. I want to believe that Jesus is Christ, and that he died on the cross for our sins, but I just don't see how to do it. I just get confused whenever I think about it. My question is: how do I start believing? :confused:
My 17 year old son and I were just talking about this, I have another thought for you. Sin, this world, the desires of the flesh, hold us captive. We are trapped and ensnared by the things that hold us from God. but God, despite what makes sense, loves us beyond measure.

Our youngest son has a guinea pig, that he loves very much. One day he had the pig in a barbie type car, and was playing with the pig, having a grand time. One of his brothers came into the room angry, not knowing the pig was in the car, he kicked the car across the room. The car went sailing and hit the bed, giving the pig the ride of her life, but the seat belt held her safely. Our son who owns the pig went nuts and took after his brother with a stick, yelling, "you killed my baby, you killed my baby".

Look at God something like that. God saw the destruction that sin was having on those He loves (that's you and me and every person He created). But how to rescue us was the problem. He needed a way to not only keep us safe, but to protect us once we were safe. So God said to the most precious part of Himself, the son nature, 'what if you go to earth, in disguise, and pay the ransom for the people whom my heart longs to be reunited with?' The son part of God said, 'consider it done' and so Jesus the Christ came to this earth as a nothing of a man. God emptied Himself, became the least, so that He could ransom you from the enemy that holds you captive.

Now there is this crazy phenomina, called stockholmes syndrome where someone who has been captive for a long period of time, feels a loyalty to his/her captor. We often do this with sin, Jesus comes to rescue us, but our loyalty remains with the one who deceived us in the first place. Belief is about knowing in your heart, that there is someone who happens to be the Christ, who loves us enough to find us and rescue us from the evil one, that is holding us captive. It's about knowing you have enough worth, enough value that you have been sought since you were first captured by the evil of this world.
 
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I am replying to this thread before I read anyone elses' replies and advice, because I tend to forget what I want to say.

The fact that you crave to want to know God is a step in the right direction. We pray to Him and call out to Him but sometimes we feel nothing, but when you do feel His presence it will overwhelm you with great joy no matter what the curcumstances of that time may be. Sometimes we must be patient because God may not respond in the ways you may hope Him to. We have to wait on Him. It may require the stillness of the mind from the things of this world and the wandering of the soul for some time to find answers. But if you take the time, in all that you see, you will find a piece of God.
 
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Hi Everyone,


I don't really know how to start this off, so I'm sorry if my wording sounds weird to you.

About four or five years ago, I lost my faith in Jesus. I was so confused, and there were so many different things about Christianity that I didn't understand. One question I had was, "How do I know if God even exists? How can I tell?". I tried to call out to God, but I never got an answer. I never felt like Christianity was a part of me. Then three years ago, I learned about Paganism. I loved that I was free to decide what I wanted to do with the religion. I could structure it myself. I loved it.

But, about three years ago, I started to like one of my friends' brother. I've liked him even since. I realized, that if we were to ever get into a relationship, my religion would be the end of it. His family strictly believes that they have to marry within their own religion. Ever since then, I have been thinking about coming back to Christianity.

I tried, about a year and a half ago, to call out to Jesus and repent my sins, but I felt nothing. I didn't feel like I had any connection at all with God. So, I gave up again.

Now to the present. I'm sick of following Paganism. I want to connect with God. I want to be Christian. I just get so frustrated when I don't feel anything when I try to pray or read the Bible. I guess I just need some advice and guidance. I don't have a church that I can go to, because my parents aren't religious, and they would just taunt me with, "What happened to being a witch?" and then they would probably laugh. Also, I tried to go to church with my friends' family, but I didn't connect with the Pastor or the atmosphere of the Church. I just don't know what to do.

So do you think that you could give me some advice/help/guidance? And prayers would be greatly appreciated.



Thanks Everyone,

-Anna

Hello... I pray you come to know the Lord Jesus as He would have you know Him. I have known Him for twenty years and I am still learning about Him... of course we speak of G*d who is tremendous in scope and mysterious beyond compare. G*d has accomplished with mankind what no one else could ever possibly do... that is bring people to worship Him in a way that takes 6000 years to complete. G*d would have all of us come to repentance because G*d does not wish for anyone to end. It is complicated but beautiful beyond anyone's imagination... G*d's plan for mankind is incredible and beyond belief.... no one can stop it and G*d's plan will happen. One can begin to understand the plan by reading the Bible (old and new testaments)... it is a book inspired by G*d. Everything written has, is or will come to pass. It is like a letter that G*d wrote to man for guidance. Here you will find the reasons for Jesus' crucifixion; the reason for his resurrection; the reasons for having a chosen people.. the Jews; the reason why evil spirits can roam free (for a short while) and cause havoc; the reasons for life. G*d's goal is to have all men unite under His leadership. G*d is spiritual and we reach to Him through prayer.

Have I lost you yet? The best place to start is a church that teaches the basics of Jesus and that studies the Bible on a regular basis. This church is called Pentecostal or sometimes Non-denominational. You mentioned the large number of denominations... these churches (ie catholic, methodist, lutheran, etc) are Bible based But they are burdened and weighed down by too many traditions and rules. For example, bowing when in front of a priest, calling the priest 'father', wearing only white tops and black skirts, reciting the same prayer, repeating the words of the priest, etc... these traditions and rules came into being over the course of time but they do not help a person learn about G*d or Jesus. The sooner you come to know the Bible... the sooner you can intelligently ask Jesus to come into your life. I have known Jesus for twenty years and during this time I have studied all other religions (including mormonism, jeho witnesses, catholic, muslim, new age, demon worship)... the only way to life is through Jesus Christ. For G*d so loved the world that He gave His only begotten son, so that whosoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. I wish to pray for you... Lord Jesus, reveal yourself, your gift and your beauty to the reader... and to this end, by the power of Jesus' name, I bind all evil from hindering this seed. Lord, keep us from evil and from sin.

Even as Paul thru Jesus Christ convinced idol worshiping infidels in the first century; likewise do I move about Breaking the Sword of Islam. For the true G*d so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, so that whosoever believes in Him, should not perish but have everlasting life. I will love G*d and my neighbor. --- Ahmid Truth

 
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I honestly think it's different for each of us, and I think it starts with seeking to know who He really is. For me it was pretty simple, I was just a child and my life was out of control. Had I been old enough to know what suicide was, I probably would have tried that direction. But instead, I figured that this world couldn't just happen, it had to be created. If it was created, the creator would not create something greater than Himself, and so all I had to do to survive, was to become a part of that creator, the creator who was bigger and greater than my problems. That is all it took for me.

Our pastor just talked about this the other day, for him, it was miracles he saw while in India.

for my husband, I'm not sure, he grew up a pastors kid and missionary kid, so he kind of saw God his whole life, there wasn't a question.

I have a dear friend who is the son of an ex voodoo priest. He saw the freedom God offered and that was enough for Him.

Let me ask you this, what would it take for you to believe? A miracle, an emotional experience, logic, etc.?


That is a very good question . . . . for me to believe, I feel like there should be some kind of emotional experience, or that when I pray, I actually receive some kind of answer. It's probably not right that I should want/need these things to believe though . . .

Oh, and thank you for both of your posts. Reading what you wrote makes things make more sense to me.



I am replying to this thread before I read anyone elses' replies and advice, because I tend to forget what I want to say.

The fact that you crave to want to know God is a step in the right direction. We pray to Him and call out to Him but sometimes we feel nothing, but when you do feel His presence it will overwhelm you with great joy no matter what the curcumstances of that time may be. Sometimes we must be patient because God may not respond in the ways you may hope Him to. We have to wait on Him. It may require the stillness of the mind from the things of this world and the wandering of the soul for some time to find answers. But if you take the time, in all that you see, you will find a piece of God.


Thank you so much for replying. Yeah . . . I'm seeing now that things are going to take time and patience, which I didn't have before. But now, I'm willing to wait.



Hello... I pray you come to know the Lord Jesus as He would have you know Him. I have known Him for twenty years and I am still learning about Him... of course we speak of G*d who is tremendous in scope and mysterious beyond compare. G*d has accomplished with mankind what no one else could ever possibly do... that is bring people to worship Him in a way that takes 6000 years to complete. G*d would have all of us come to repentance because G*d does not wish for anyone to end. It is complicated but beautiful beyond anyone's imagination... G*d's plan for mankind is incredible and beyond belief.... no one can stop it and G*d's plan will happen. One can begin to understand the plan by reading the Bible (old and new testaments)... it is a book inspired by G*d. Everything written has, is or will come to pass. It is like a letter that G*d wrote to man for guidance. Here you will find the reasons for Jesus' crucifixion; the reason for his resurrection; the reasons for having a chosen people.. the Jews; the reason why evil spirits can roam free (for a short while) and cause havoc; the reasons for life. G*d's goal is to have all men unite under His leadership. G*d is spiritual and we reach to Him through prayer.

Have I lost you yet? The best place to start is a church that teaches the basics of Jesus and that studies the Bible on a regular basis. This church is called Pentecostal or sometimes Non-denominational. You mentioned the large number of denominations... these churches (ie catholic, methodist, lutheran, etc) are Bible based But they are burdened and weighed down by too many traditions and rules. For example, bowing when in front of a priest, calling the priest 'father', wearing only white tops and black skirts, reciting the same prayer, repeating the words of the priest, etc... these traditions and rules came into being over the course of time but they do not help a person learn about G*d or Jesus. The sooner you come to know the Bible... the sooner you can intelligently ask Jesus to come into your life. I have known Jesus for twenty years and during this time I have studied all other religions (including mormonism, jeho witnesses, catholic, muslim, new age, demon worship)... the only way to life is through Jesus Christ. For G*d so loved the world that He gave His only begotten son, so that whosoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. I wish to pray for you... Lord Jesus, reveal yourself, your gift and your beauty to the reader... and to this end, by the power of Jesus' name, I bind all evil from hindering this seed. Lord, keep us from evil and from sin.

Even as Paul thru Jesus Christ convinced idol worshiping infidels in the first century; likewise do I move about Breaking the Sword of Islam. For the true G*d so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, so that whosoever believes in Him, should not perish but have everlasting life. I will love G*d and my neighbor. --- Ahmid Truth


Thanks bunches for praying for me! It truly means a lot. And I have been looking through the phonebook, so I can see if I can find a church that can teach me to be closer to God. And I'm going to start reading the New Testament tonight. So I'm hoping that I'll begin to learn about God.
 
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That is a very good question . . . . for me to believe, I feel like there should be some kind of emotional experience, or that when I pray, I actually receive some kind of answer. It's probably not right that I should want/need these things to believe though . . .

Oh, and thank you for both of your posts. Reading what you wrote makes things make more sense to me.
Okay, so we have established that you need an emotional response, and answers to prayers. Now I have seen enough over the years to know that God can and will give these things, if it means that you will believe. Of this I have no doubt. So I will pray that He gives you these things. But let me ask you this, how are you planning on having an emotional response unless you believe first? And what do you mean by God answering prayer.

Let me give you an example...Many years ago, actually it was leap day of 1980, I was hit by a train. Now it was miracle enough that I walked away, especially when you consider that the only salvagable part of the car was one tire. But I couldn't find any purpose, I couldn't find the God, that God promised would be in that event. For years, I prayed about the purpose, the good that would come of it. Some years later, I was talking to a co worker who was struggling with an issue. I told her that I didn't have all the answers, but that I believed that God would use even this for His good, just as I continued to believe that He would use my accident for His good. That night, she borrowed a car, drove to a crossing and sat and waited for the train. she told of seeing the train, and then thinking of my words and driving off the tracks. Answers to prayers are not so much about getting everything we want from God, like some magic Santa in the sky, but rather it is about seeing the answers that God gives (and no I am not talking about nothing happening and that being God saying no) what I am saying is that I could not conccive in my mind how God would use my accident. If the only answer I am willing to hear is what I can concieve in my mind, then I am missing the power and wonders of God completely and seeking myself over God. When we pray for God to reveal Himself in our lives, we need to actually seek Him, not ourselves when we look at the answers.

Another story to explain this better. One night I sat talking to a your girl, not much older than you at the time. This young woman got so angry over the things of God that in the dark of the car, she pulled a knife and tried to stab me. But a force that she described as that of a hand holding her arm (windows were up, could not be explained away as someone watching over other than God) held her till she let go of her anger and put the knife away. when we pray for example for protection as we speak the truths of God, we can't truely see the wonders of God if we tell Him how to do those thing. Sometimes we have to let Him surprise us with the answers He gives. so let's also define a bit, what you mean when you say, answers to prayers. Are you looking for the specifics you want, or are you looking for a more general answer that still covers the issue?

Can you put out a "fleece" (do you know what that means?) so we can pray with you on this matter?
 
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About four or five years ago, I lost my faith in Jesus. I was so confused, and there were so many different things about Christianity that I didn't understand. One question I had was, "How do I know if God even exists? How can I tell?". I tried to call out to God, but I never got an answer. I never felt like Christianity was a part of me. Then three years ago, I learned about Paganism. I loved that I was free to decide what I wanted to do with the religion. I could structure it myself. I loved it.

But, about three years ago, I started to like one of my friends' brother. I've liked him even since. I realized, that if we were to ever get into a relationship, my religion would be the end of it. His family strictly believes that they have to marry within their own religion. Ever since then, I have been thinking about coming back to Christianity.

I tried, about a year and a half ago, to call out to Jesus and repent my sins, but I felt nothing. I didn't feel like I had any connection at all with God. So, I gave up again.

Now to the present. I'm sick of following Paganism. I want to connect with God. I want to be Christian. I just get so frustrated when I don't feel anything when I try to pray or read the Bible. I guess I just need some advice and guidance. I don't have a church that I can go to, because my parents aren't religious, and they would just taunt me with, "What happened to being a witch?" and then they would probably laugh. Also, I tried to go to church with my friends' family, but I didn't connect with the Pastor or the atmosphere of the Church. I just don't know what to do.

So do you think that you could give me some advice/help/guidance? And prayers would be greatly appreciated.

The whole "I want to feel God" thing can be tough to sort out. You see, God wants us to be led, not by our feelings, which we are prone to be, but by what He has said. He wants us to trust His words, not a feeling. There are some Christians who get really bent out of shape if they don't have a feeling that validates their belief. They run about looking for an emotional experience to prove that their relationship with God is real; and when they can't get that emotional experience, they fall quickly into doubt about their faith. Feelings are inconstant, they come and go, and often they don't accurately reflect reality. Consequently, God gives us His unchanging, infallible word to which to anchor our thinking and behaviour. This can seem a very odd way to operate - especially in our modern world which so often urges us to feel rather than think. Nonetheless, learning not to let feelings lead is a basic step in walking with God.

I don't want you to think that walking with God is a dry, intellectual thing, however. It isn't. The richest emotional experiences of my life have been in my relationship with my heavenly Father. Really, I don't think one can worship God well at all apart from their emotions. After all, God gave us the capacity to feel emotionally, so it is perfectly reasonable to expect that God would meet us on that level, too. But, as good as the feelings may be when we are in full, unsullied fellowship with God, He doesn't want those feelings to be the foundation of, or the reason for, our relationship with Him.

Often people are expecting, when they initially reach out to God, to have a warm, happy feeling. But, when we approach God with an accurate understanding of who He is, what we will feel to start is shame and a deep sense of our need of His cleansing, holy love and power.

"Draw near to God and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double-minded. Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness. Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord and He will lift you up." (Ja. 4:8-10)

Doesn't sound like a lot of fun, does it? Who wants to feel like this? No one, I should think. But this is the way to God. This is the way to better feelings like joy, peace, and contentment in walking with God. The sin stuff cannot be got around with God. He is perfectly holy and will not enter into fellowship with us while the stain of sin is upon us. Not until we see clearly our own sinfulness and need of cleansing can we be free of sin's stain. But this is a painful realization that typically brings sorrow and shame initially. These feelings, though, provoke us to seek God's forgiveness, which is freely given because of the sacrifice of His Son Jesus Christ for our sins. And when the matter of our sin is resolved and we have submitted ourselves wholly to God, then the warmth of God's love and joy in being at peace with Him begins to be felt.

Peace.
 
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