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LOST is too complicated

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Some further observations...

Between his flashbacks and his actions since arriving on the island, Sayid seems to be caught in a vicious cycle of torturer and tormented (he tortures that woman in an Iraqi prison, lets her go, flees, gets caught out by her new hubby, tortured himself, is let go in turn, and is on Flight 815 for the express purpose of finding her again). And since arriving on the island he has resumed this cycle of torturer and tortured. Eventually, Sayid is either going to end up dead as a direct result or this or he really will have to swear it off.

Then there be the `incident' (late 1970's), the `purge' (early 1990's) and the `sickness' (mid 1980's).

Lessee...Dharma sets up camp on the island in the early 1970's. At that point in time, they think they have full control over maybe half the island, and a deal of some sort with the pre-existing inhabitants. They build `open' stations on their half of the island (Barracks, Flame, Hydra (even though its offshore) and the docks). But Dharma is very interested in something on the half of the island they don't control, and set up a set of clandestine stations to investigate (Swan, Staff, and Pearl).

For a time, this setup seems to work. Then comes the `incident'. Whatever the `incident' is, it is devastating to Dharma's projects, especially the clandestine ones. It also turns the islands other inhabitants against Dharma, at least somewhat, turning them into the `hostiles'.

At this point, there must have been some sort of `hidden war' or `cold war' between Dharma and the `hostiles'. Then comes the sickness - the plague that killed most of Danielles team (and probably a lot of other people) - a plague that Dharma had the cure for. Conclusion: either Dharma released the plague intentionally or it was something that got away from them. Given that the Dharma project was set up to research the end of the world, and plague is certainly one way that could come about, well...

For the `hostiles', the `sickness' was probably the last straw. A sort of `on again/off again' conflict became something much more serious.

Now...at this point, the bunch we call the `Others' must have entered into the picture. Unlike the `hostiles' they were interested in remaining connected with the outside world, and appear to have major influence/sponsors there. At a guess, those sponsors would have been ...allies turned rivals?...to Hanso himself. At any rate, they became aware that the island existed and that there was some very interesting research that had been conducted there. So...possibly against Hanso's wishes, and maybe without his knowledge, they went to the island and checked it out.

They became aware of the Dharma remnants and their war with the `hostiles' almost immediately. Probably, they didn't get along to well with the Dharma leftovers. My guess is they made an alliance of some sort with the hostiles, and between their tech and the `hostiles' knowledge, were able to wipe out the remaining Dharma presence, and were able to do so in such a way that Dharma mainland HQ concluded it was the `hostiles' acting alone. This was the `purge'.

Then the `Others' moved into the Dharma facilities and took over, concentrating most of their attention on the `Hydra' station.

But...if this is so...what became of the original `hostiles'? Were they all wiped out in the purge? Did we see some of them early on in season 2, when Jin and Eko watched the barefoot band go marching by? Are they the whisperers? Are they still in some sort of alliance with the `Others'?

Something to think about: early on, the `Others', acting on what they knew of the lostaways, dressed pretty rough. Possibly this was because this is how the `real' hostiles dress and they thought it likely the lostaways had run across them a couple of times?

I dunno. Looked at one way it simplifies things, in another way it makes matters more complex.

Yes, Thinker, it is unavoidably complex.

It ain't just me.. LOST has gotten too complicated for most people. This show has two very interesting narratives: the struggle for survival on the island, and the flashbacks. But now the writers are going to have to spend a lot of time on a third theme: the history of the island. So far there are a lot of baffling questions about this, and it's the least interesting element of the show.

The writers have a lot of explaining to do about a lot of different people: the dead couple found in the cave, the Black Rock survivors, the science expedition, the builders of the "foot statue", and we still have to find out whether the others, hostiles, and DHARMA are one or two or three groups. Still no answers on "the sickness" or "the incident".

You shouldn't have to be a scholar of LOSTology to understand the show. We shouldn't have basic unanswered questions after 2 full seasons. Tolkien also created a complex world, but he explained it as he went along.
 

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Actuallly, it is the shows complexity - the way it interweaves personal interests with ...`science'... past events, groups like Dharma, ect that interests me the most.

I don't find it to be frustrating; rather I find it to be a challenging puzzle, and that is what makes it interesting.

That said, I believe we are fast getting to the point to where the situation on the island with regards to Dharma, the `Others', and the `hostiles' - what happened, why they did/do the things they do - will become a lot clearer.
 
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Genre Producers Distance Themselves From 'Lost'
By Daniel Fienberg
March 5, 2007

It wasn't so long ago that every network wanted its own "Lost" and every new show wanted to mimic ABC's hit drama.

Those days are in the past.

For a variety of reasons, ratings for "Lost" are at an all-time low. Rightly or wrongly, there's a perception in the industry that Damon Lindelof and company have squandered both audience good faith and narrative momentum on three seasons of complicated mythology with nary a satisfying answer in sight.

With "Lost" in danger of becoming another cautionary tale and networks canceling serialized dramas with impunity, the race is on to establish a new paradigm, to be the show that actually supplies answers, that stands out as the anti-"Lost."
http://www.zap2it.com/tv/news/zap-w...ucers,0,3971856.story?coll=zap-news-headlines
 
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I have no problem with Lost's unanswered questions so far. We get enough answers, and are led in the direction of enough answers, for me to be satisfied. I don't want it all handed to me on a silver platter.

I enjoy Heroes as a show, but I think what separates it from Lost for me is that they answer too many questions. There's not enough mystery, not enough to think about. I like being an amateur Lostologist. I like trying to figure things out as the puzzle pieces get meted out as slowly or as quickly as the story allows. I like have something to look forward to every Wednesday night, and all summer long.

There really are two camps of television viewers: the "give it all to me now before I get bored" camp, and the "take your time, I'm enjoying the ride" camp. I am most definitely in the latter.

It's possible that ratings are down because of the way answers are withheld, but I think it's more likely a number of other factors:

- the misguided 6-episode pod in the fall
- the new 10:00 time period
- the "wait for DVD" crowd (a number of Losties on this forum fall into that category)
- the "watch it online" crowd
- the "too much investment required" crowd
 
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I have no problem with Lost's unanswered questions so far. We get enough answers, and are led in the direction of enough answers, for me to be satisfied. I don't want it all handed to me on a silver platter.

I enjoy Heroes as a show, but I think what separates it from Lost for me is that they answer too many questions. There's not enough mystery, not enough to think about. I like being an amateur Lostologist. I like trying to figure things out as the puzzle pieces get meted out as slowly or as quickly as the story allows. I like have something to look forward to every Wednesday night, and all summer long.

There really are two camps of television viewers: the "give it all to me now before I get bored" camp, and the "take your time, I'm enjoying the ride" camp. I am most definitely in the latter.

It's possible that ratings are down because of the way answers are withheld, but I think it's more likely a number of other factors:

- the misguided 6-episode pod in the fall
- the new 10:00 time period
- the "wait for DVD" crowd (a number of Losties on this forum fall into that category)
- the "watch it online" crowd
- the "too much investment required" crowd

Ya know, the more unsolved island-history mysteries they rack up, the more time they're going to spend solving them... with monologues. And probably a few grainy "old films". This isn't everyone's idea of excitement. A description of historical drama isn't drama.

LOST is part cliffhanger and part puzzle... 2 different things. 2 different groups of viewers, sometimes, because not everyone likes both.

If they start focusing on newly discovered connections between characters, this is yet another area that eats up time without moving a story forward. Can anyone even say what the story is? Is it a story of people trying to get off the island? Survive/make a new life on the island? Both? What's the goal, people?

LOST started off as a survival/escape/rescue story and now it's a slow tour of Mystery Island, where they rarely explain what you're looking at. It's a video game where you go through levels (or weird bunkers in this case) but this is not a STORY. Newly discovered facts about the setting and the characters are more important than the mission of the characters (whatever that is, now).
 
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I enjoy Heroes as a show, but I think what separates it from Lost for me is that they answer too many questions.

It's important to know that Heroes is designed to have separation between the seasons. More of a 24 feel than a Lost feel, if you will. The creators have even gone so far as to say that most (if not all) characters probably won't be back in season 2.
 
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