Lordship Salvation

[Byfaithalone1]

What are your thoughts on the following statement? Are there areas of the following statement with which you agree? Areas where you disagree?

Justification is by faith alone through grace alone, but good works naturally and necessarily follow being declared righteous before God. Thus, good works are a necessary consequence that confirms salvation. In other words, Jesus cannot be considered a person's Savior (that is, the bringer of salvation) without simultaneously being Lord of the person's life, which is demonstratd by the gradual purification from sin and the exercising of good works.
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BFA

 

[Joe67]

What are your thoughts on the following statement? Are there areas of the following statement with which you agree? Areas where you disagree?

Justification is by faith alone through grace alone, but good works naturally and necessarily follow being declared righteous before God. Thus, good works are a necessary consequence that confirms salvation. In other words, Jesus cannot be considered a person's Savior (that is, the bringer of salvation) without simultaneously being Lord of the person's life, which is demonstratd by the gradual purification from sin and the exercising of good works.
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BFA

BFA,

The testimony of the spirit of Jesus, through Peter, is preferred.

1 Peter 1:18-23
18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;

19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.

22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:

23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. KJV

This swallows the OP statement and casts it out in the drain.

Joe

 

[Adventtruth]

What are your thoughts on the following statement? Are there areas of the following statement with which you agree? Areas where you disagree?

Justification is by faith alone through grace alone, but good works naturally and necessarily follow being declared righteous before God. Thus, good works are a necessary consequence that confirms salvation. In other words, Jesus cannot be considered a person's Savior (that is, the bringer of salvation) without simultaneously being Lord of the person's life, which is demonstratd by the gradual purification from sin and the exercising of good works.
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BFA

Actually...I would say what you've written is not considered Lordship Salvation by Christendom at all. Lordship Salvation has nothing to do with perfectionism.

AT

 

[Byfaithalone1]

Actually...I would say what you've written is not considered Lordship Salvation by Christendom at all. Lordship Salvation has nothing to do with perfectionism.

AT

I pulled the language from a wikipedia site on "lordship salvation." However, you may be right. The language may not actually fit within "lordship salvation" at all. If so, that isn't really my focus in this thread anyway.

In this thread, I'm interested in discussing the language set out in the original post. Do you have any thoughts on it?

BFA

 

[Adventtruth]

I pulled the language from a wikipedia site on "lordship salvation." However, you may be right. The language may not actually fit within "lordship salvation" at all. If so, that isn't really my focus in this thread anyway.

In this thread, I'm interested in discussing the language set out in the original post. Do you have any thoughts on it?

BFA

sure.

What are your thoughts on the following statement? Are there areas of the following statement with which you agree? Areas where you disagree?

Justification is by faith alone through grace alone, but good works naturally and necessarily follow being declared righteous before God. Thus, good works are a necessary consequence that confirms salvation. In other words, Jesus cannot be considered a person's Savior (that is, the bringer of salvation) without simultaneously being Lord of the person's life, which is demonstratd by the gradual purification from sin and the exercising of good works.
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BFA

Justification is by faith alone through grace alone....good works will follow.....they dont confirm salvation to God...Christ and the Holy Spirits work go hand in hand...no justified person is totally free of a sin.

AT

 

[Byfaithalone1]

sure.Justification is by faith alone through grace alone....good works will follow.....they dont confirm salvation to God...Christ and the Holy Spirits work go hand in hand...no justified person is totally free of a sin.AT

Well said. I agree.

Is there anyone here who believes that good works confirm that a person is the recipient of salvation?

BFA

 

[Sophia7]

Justification is by faith alone through grace alone....good works will follow.....they dont confirm salvation to God...Christ and the Holy Spirits work go hand in hand...no justified person is totally free of a sin.

AT

 

[Joe67]

Well said. I agree.

Is there anyone here who believes that good works confirm that a person is the recipient of salvation?

BFA

BFA,

Some sincere children of the Lord Jesus cannot bear the thought in the following testimony.

Others use the following testimonies as clubs over the backs of the children of God.

1 Cor 1:6-9
6 Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you:

7 So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ:

8 Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.

9 God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord. KJV

Heb 6:17-18
17 Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise the immutability of his counsel, confirmed it by an oath:

18 That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us: KJV

The promise and the oath lead us to lay hold on the hope set before us.

Two immutable things is a two-edged sword out of the mouth of him who rides on the white horse.

Rom 4:16
16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all, KJV

1 Cor 15:10
10 But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me. KJV

2 Cor 4:17
17 For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory; KJV

Joe