I participated in the Lord's supper tonight and just want to know people's feelings on this particular ordinance and its purpose and who you believe should participate. thanks for any opinions.
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I hate to be the first to post but since this is your first communion here goes. Being as since you posted and asked in the Baptist/Anabaptist area, I'll attempt to show what we believe. The Baptist/Anabaptist believe that the communion, or Lord's Supper if you will, is a memorial service we do in accordance to Jesus' commandmant.
"And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me." -Lk. 22:19
Further weight is added by Paul's testimony to the Corinthian church when he was trying to show why there should not be disharmony at the Lord's Supper:
"And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come." -1 Cor. 11:24-26
Did you see that? We observe this ordinance to show the Lord's death until He returns. And as for who should participate? The Baptist, I'm not 100% sure about the Anabaptist, practice a "closed communion." And by that I mean that anyone of the Baptist faith who believes in the same thing as we do are free to partake of the cup and the bread. It is closed to other denominations for the simple reason that their beliefs in communion is vastly different than ours. For example: the Baptist believe that communion is just like a memorial service (for lack of better words), while, (do not bash me for my opinions people) the Catholic church believe that after the priest says prayer over the cup and the bread, it is changed to the cup actually containing the blood of Christ and the bread actually becomes the body of Christ. Now the reason I said that is purely for illustration sake, I'm not putting down anybody of the Catholic faith, so don't bash me or say I'm bashing them, because I'm not. That is why we call it a "closed communion." I would not go to a Catholic church and partake simply because our beliefs are so different. Likewise, they probably feel the same way. Here is the "official" position of the Southern Baptist Convention on Baptism and the Lord's Supper:
VII. Baptism and the Lord's Supper
Christian baptism is the immersion of a believer in water in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. It is an act of obedience symbolizing the believer's faith in a crucified, buried, and risen Saviour, the believer's death to sin, the burial of the old life, and the resurrection to walk in newness of life in Christ Jesus. It is a testimony to his faith in the final resurrection of the dead. Being a church ordinance, it is prerequisite to the privileges of church membership and to the Lord's Supper.
The Lord's Supper is a symbolic act of obedience whereby members of the church, through partaking of the bread and the fruit of the vine, memorialize the death of the Redeemer and anticipate His second coming.
Matthew 3:13-17; 26:26-30; 28:19-20; Mark 1:9-11; 14:22-26; Luke 3:21-22; 22:19-20; John 3:23; Acts 2:41-42; 8:35-39; 16:30-33; 20:7; Romans 6:3-5; 1 Corinthians 10:16,21; 11:23-29; Colossians 2:12.
http://www.sbc.net/bfm/bfm2000.asp
"And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me." -Lk. 22:19
Further weight is added by Paul's testimony to the Corinthian church when he was trying to show why there should not be disharmony at the Lord's Supper:
"And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come." -1 Cor. 11:24-26
Did you see that? We observe this ordinance to show the Lord's death until He returns. And as for who should participate? The Baptist, I'm not 100% sure about the Anabaptist, practice a "closed communion." And by that I mean that anyone of the Baptist faith who believes in the same thing as we do are free to partake of the cup and the bread. It is closed to other denominations for the simple reason that their beliefs in communion is vastly different than ours. For example: the Baptist believe that communion is just like a memorial service (for lack of better words), while, (do not bash me for my opinions people) the Catholic church believe that after the priest says prayer over the cup and the bread, it is changed to the cup actually containing the blood of Christ and the bread actually becomes the body of Christ. Now the reason I said that is purely for illustration sake, I'm not putting down anybody of the Catholic faith, so don't bash me or say I'm bashing them, because I'm not. That is why we call it a "closed communion." I would not go to a Catholic church and partake simply because our beliefs are so different. Likewise, they probably feel the same way. Here is the "official" position of the Southern Baptist Convention on Baptism and the Lord's Supper:
VII. Baptism and the Lord's Supper
Christian baptism is the immersion of a believer in water in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. It is an act of obedience symbolizing the believer's faith in a crucified, buried, and risen Saviour, the believer's death to sin, the burial of the old life, and the resurrection to walk in newness of life in Christ Jesus. It is a testimony to his faith in the final resurrection of the dead. Being a church ordinance, it is prerequisite to the privileges of church membership and to the Lord's Supper.
The Lord's Supper is a symbolic act of obedience whereby members of the church, through partaking of the bread and the fruit of the vine, memorialize the death of the Redeemer and anticipate His second coming.
Matthew 3:13-17; 26:26-30; 28:19-20; Mark 1:9-11; 14:22-26; Luke 3:21-22; 22:19-20; John 3:23; Acts 2:41-42; 8:35-39; 16:30-33; 20:7; Romans 6:3-5; 1 Corinthians 10:16,21; 11:23-29; Colossians 2:12.
http://www.sbc.net/bfm/bfm2000.asp
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It's purpose is to remind us of what Christ did for us and to remind us of the coming Marriage Supper of the Lamb.
All baptized Believers should participate. The unbelievers and the unbaptized should not partake; the unbelievers because they don't know or accept what Christ did for us and they have no hope of being at the Marriage Supper of the Lamb, and the unbaptized because they need to be obedient to Christ's ordinance of baptism first.
All baptized Believers should participate. The unbelievers and the unbaptized should not partake; the unbelievers because they don't know or accept what Christ did for us and they have no hope of being at the Marriage Supper of the Lamb, and the unbaptized because they need to be obedient to Christ's ordinance of baptism first.
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Nope. But why should a person who refuses to be baptized be allowed to partake in the other ordinances?
Are there any Biblical reasons for allowing a person who lives in disobedience to join in communion?
I'm not talking about people who are newly saved and haven't been able to schedule a baptism yet, nor of people who are physically unable to be baptized because of disability or location or some other circumstance, I'm talking about people who say, "I refuse to be baptized."
Are there any Biblical reasons for allowing a person who lives in disobedience to join in communion?
I'm not talking about people who are newly saved and haven't been able to schedule a baptism yet, nor of people who are physically unable to be baptized because of disability or location or some other circumstance, I'm talking about people who say, "I refuse to be baptized."
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DeaconDean said:
I'm part of an American Baptist Church. We do not practice a "closed" communion.
Communion is open for all who are present.
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holyrokker said:
Thank you for the info, did not know that. That is why I did not speak with authority (knowledge) for the Anabaptist.
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Most anabaptist groups practice a semi-closed or closed communion, but the MC churches tend to practice open communion for all baptized believers. Some practice totally open communion, but those are very rare.
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the church I am going to attend again practices closed communion for the purpose of being sure that only those they know will partake.
Even if a visiting Missionary attends the meetings they may not partake.
I am not a member so cannot join in.
My thoughts on this is that the pastor does not know the heart of the believer partaking, He also doesn't know if they are in good standing, or fully repented.
I have never taken communion. It was reserved for the 144,000 only and I never saw anyone take it on Memorial day all my life.
Since then I have been convicted that it is for all believers in good standing.
James
Even if a visiting Missionary attends the meetings they may not partake.
I am not a member so cannot join in.
My thoughts on this is that the pastor does not know the heart of the believer partaking, He also doesn't know if they are in good standing, or fully repented.
I have never taken communion. It was reserved for the 144,000 only and I never saw anyone take it on Memorial day all my life.
Since then I have been convicted that it is for all believers in good standing.
James
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I'm not sure about what 'close communion' is, but in my church the Lord's Supper doesn't take place during the 'normal' service, but just before. Any baptized (in the etymological sense) believer can partake.
We ask them to be baptized because baptism is the decision to make the conversion known to all. So it involves a commitment to Christ greater than just conversion. Besides, in the Bible, all the disciples were baptized before they had the Lord's Supper.
We ask them to be baptized because baptism is the decision to make the conversion known to all. So it involves a commitment to Christ greater than just conversion. Besides, in the Bible, all the disciples were baptized before they had the Lord's Supper.
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Imblessed
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Technically, a person who "refuses' to be baptised could be a christian....see Quakers....but, quakers also refuse to take communion, so I guess that's a mute point! 
Although I do know a few Quaker churches who will do communion occationally, and some quakers who will participate in communion if they are at another church, but they are being inconsistant......
I was raised Quaker, and as such, never did take communion until the time I was a member at a quaker church when I was an adult. I wondered why they were doing it---but i think it was around Easter and the communion tied into the easter story or something.
When my husband and I changed churches, we ended up at a community church(basically baptist without the name) and I took communion with them once a month before I was baptised. I was baptised summer of 2004, but had been going to the church since the end of 2002. It took a year and a half before I was convinced of the need for baptism....but I never felt I was doing wrong by partaking of communion.
Just a different perspective....
our church is part of the GBC, and does open communion, but strongly emphesises the need for being not just a believer, but a believer in "right standing".....
Although I do know a few Quaker churches who will do communion occationally, and some quakers who will participate in communion if they are at another church, but they are being inconsistant......
I was raised Quaker, and as such, never did take communion until the time I was a member at a quaker church when I was an adult. I wondered why they were doing it---but i think it was around Easter and the communion tied into the easter story or something.
When my husband and I changed churches, we ended up at a community church(basically baptist without the name) and I took communion with them once a month before I was baptised. I was baptised summer of 2004, but had been going to the church since the end of 2002. It took a year and a half before I was convinced of the need for baptism....but I never felt I was doing wrong by partaking of communion.
Just a different perspective....
our church is part of the GBC, and does open communion, but strongly emphesises the need for being not just a believer, but a believer in "right standing".....
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MikeDeanRN said:
Hello Mike. I believe that to participate in the Lord's Supper, a person must have done the following: 1. Accepted the Lord Jesus Christ as their personal Saviour; and 2. followed the Lord in believer's baptism.As long as those two requirements are met....then there should be no reason for a person not to partake of the Lord's Supper.
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MikeDeanRN said:
Hi Mike,
My belief is that the Lord's Supper should be available to all Christians. I do not think that Christ becomes anything in the objects, but instead that we do this in remembrance of Him.
One thing I wish my church did was offer the Lord's Supper more often. We also sing songs while waiting for everyone to be served. This, IMO, should be a time for remembrance and be solemn. I do not think church on a whole should be solemn, but celebratory. But, I do think the Lord's Supper should be solemn.
God bless you,
Dave
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daveleau said:
Our church offers communion once per quarter, we used to do this once per month but changed it. How often do you think communion should be offered? I like the idea of offering it once per quarter because if you offer it too often it has the potential of losing its meaning. It becomes just a ceremony that you do, it loses it significance. What I mean is that you wouldn't want to offer it at every service because it would lose its significance, maybe once per month, or every other month maybe. What do you think?
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