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Hi everyone,

I'm Lars de Wildt and I'm a gamer and cultural sociologist at the University of Leuven.
I do Ph.D research on games and religious identity, in part because I think there is a lot of unnecessary negativity surrounding games (as addictive or violent) and religion in games (when portrayed as a 'bad thing').


I wonder if any of you would be willing to talk to me in a short Skype interview (audio or chat; video if you feel more comfortable doing that) about your experiences as being a Christian and playing games. It would be completely anonymous and confidential!

If you're willing to take the time, feel free to PM me or e-mail me at lars.dewildt [at] kuleuven.be. :)

Best,
Lars

edit: For anyone reading this late, I am still available and open to all interviewees as of October 2016 and for the foreseeable future!
 
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Hi everyone,

I'm Lars de Wildt and I'm a gamer and cultural sociologist at the University of Leuven.
I do Ph.D research on games and religious identity, in part because I think there is a lot of unnecessary negativity surrounding games (as addictive or violent) and religion in games (when portrayed as a 'bad thing').

I wonder if any of you would be willing to talk to me in a short Skype interview (audio or chat; video if you feel more comfortable doing that) about your experiences as being a Christian and playing games. It would be completely anonymous and confidential!

If you're willing to take the time, feel free to PM me or e-mail me at lars.dewildt [at] kuleuven.be. :)

Best,
Lars

Hi, i am a Christian and i do like to play games on the playstation. I struggle to find games to play though. I always keep God in mind when thinking of a game to play. I tend to look for games that have some morality, or the lead character is a "good guy" this is hard to find for me so i am limited to what i can play, which is ok id rather not have much choice than give in to play bad games out of desperation to play.

Some games i may be ok with that involve shooting such as the character being some law enforcement or working with the law like la noire or red dead redemption. "good guys" It does not feel right in my spirit to play criminals, drug dealers, i cant do it, not because of me but because of God. I think.."would you play this with God sitting next to you in the room" God is everything to me, so i put him first, i am careful with what i play, watch and listen too.

Proverbs 3:6King James Version (KJV) 6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

I have an old game Grand theft auto, Ive never played it, i had it before i was saved. I knew it was a bad game and no good. I just drove the car around didn't play the missions. I soon turned it off. Its no good. I felt God teaching me, telling me not to play that violent nonsense. And God tells us through his Word to stay away from that garbage.

Psalms 11:5 - The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.

Psalms 101:3 - I will set no wicked thing before mine eyes: I hate the work of them that turn aside; [it] shall not cleave to me.

1 Thessalonians 5:22 - Abstain from all appearance of evil.

Philippians 4:8 - Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things [are] honest, whatsoever things [are] just, whatsoever things [are] pure, whatsoever things [are] lovely, whatsoever things [are] of good report; if [there be] any virtue, and if [there be] any praise, think on these things.

I'm not judging anybody who plays these games, i just know myself not to play these, it doesn't sit right in my heart.

Before i was saved i liked movies like scarface, goodfellas, casino, I also liked "gangster rap" Since being saved i realize how much garbage they are and not to listen or watch. I avoid Horror movies too, why watch demonic nonsense?

Hope this helps you.
 
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Hi, i am a Christian and i do like to play games on the playstation. I struggle to find games to play though. I always keep God in mind when thinking of a game to play. I tend to look for games that have some morality, or the lead character is a "good guy" this is hard to find for me so i am limited to what i can play, which is ok id rather not have much choice than give in to play bad games out of desperation to play.

Some games i may be ok with that involve shooting such as the character being some law enforcement or working with the law like la noire or red dead redemption. "good guys" It does not feel right in my spirit to play criminals, drug dealers, i cant do it, not because of me but because of God. I think.."would you play this with God sitting next to you in the room" God is everything to me, so i put him first, i am careful with what i play, watch and listen too.

Proverbs 3:6King James Version (KJV) 6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

I have an old game Grand theft auto, Ive never played it, i had it before i was saved. I knew it was a bad game and no good. I just drove the car around didn't play the missions. I soon turned it off. Its no good. I felt God teaching me, telling me not to play that violent nonsense. And God tells us through his Word to stay away from that garbage.

Psalms 11:5 - The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.

Psalms 101:3 - I will set no wicked thing before mine eyes: I hate the work of them that turn aside; [it] shall not cleave to me.

1 Thessalonians 5:22 - Abstain from all appearance of evil.

Philippians 4:8 - Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things [are] honest, whatsoever things [are] just, whatsoever things [are] pure, whatsoever things [are] lovely, whatsoever things [are] of good report; if [there be] any virtue, and if [there be] any praise, think on these things.

I'm not judging anybody who plays these games, i just know myself not to play these, it doesn't sit right in my heart.

Before i was saved i liked movies like scarface, goodfellas, casino, I also liked "gangster rap" Since being saved i realize how much garbage they are and not to listen or watch. I avoid Horror movies too, why watch demonic nonsense?

Hope this helps you.

Kinda have to agree with you. Even though I was playing those kind of games for quite some time I never felt completely fine playing them. Some games even repulsed me...
In the end I tried nintendo games and felt this is it for me, you should try it out!
 
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Kinda have to agree with you. Even though I was playing those kind of games for quite some time I never felt completely fine playing them. Some games even repulsed me...
In the end I tried nintendo games and felt this is it for me, you should try it out!

I have a nintendo wii ive never played with. Im so used to playstations. I might give it ago, ive always wanted to play a super mario game.
 
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I have a nintendo wii ive never played with. Im so used to playstations. I might give it ago, ive always wanted to play a super mario game.

Give it a try! I had various Nintendo consoles since I was a kid - SNES, Gamecube, and Wii. It's definitely different from other gaming platforms, but really fun. What Wii games do you have? I enjoyed New Super Mario Bros, Mario Kart Wii, Boom Blox, Monster Hunter, and Fortune Street. What I like best is the variety of multi-player and party games, so you can play with a crowd.
 
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Hi everyone,

I'm Lars de Wildt and I'm a gamer and cultural sociologist at the University of Leuven.
I do Ph.D research on games and religious identity, in part because I think there is a lot of unnecessary negativity surrounding games (as addictive or violent) and religion in games (when portrayed as a 'bad thing').

I wonder if any of you would be willing to talk to me in a short Skype interview (audio or chat; video if you feel more comfortable doing that) about your experiences as being a Christian and playing games. It would be completely anonymous and confidential!

If you're willing to take the time, feel free to PM me or e-mail me at lars.dewildt [at] kuleuven.be. :)

Best,
Lars
Hi, Sir, hoe gaat het met U?

Interesting research; so does this all fit into some Thomist scheme of theology?
 
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Give it a try! I had various Nintendo consoles since I was a kid - SNES, Gamecube, and Wii. It's definitely different from other gaming platforms, but really fun. What Wii games do you have? I enjoyed New Super Mario Bros, Mario Kart Wii, Boom Blox, Monster Hunter, and Fortune Street. What I like best is the variety of multi-player and party games, so you can play with a crowd.
Seems like you know quite a bit about all these games! :)
 
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Hi, i am a Christian and i do like to play games on the playstation. I struggle to find games to play though. I always keep God in mind when thinking of a game to play. I tend to look for games that have some morality, or the lead character is a "good guy" this is hard to find for me so i am limited to what i can play, which is ok id rather not have much choice than give in to play bad games out of desperation to play.

Some games i may be ok with that involve shooting such as the character being some law enforcement or working with the law like la noire or red dead redemption. "good guys" It does not feel right in my spirit to play criminals, drug dealers, i cant do it, not because of me but because of God. I think.."would you play this with God sitting next to you in the room" God is everything to me, so i put him first, i am careful with what i play, watch and listen too.

Proverbs 3:6King James Version (KJV) 6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

I have an old game Grand theft auto, Ive never played it, i had it before i was saved. I knew it was a bad game and no good. I just drove the car around didn't play the missions. I soon turned it off. Its no good. I felt God teaching me, telling me not to play that violent nonsense. And God tells us through his Word to stay away from that garbage.

Psalms 11:5 - The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.

Psalms 101:3 - I will set no wicked thing before mine eyes: I hate the work of them that turn aside; [it] shall not cleave to me.

1 Thessalonians 5:22 - Abstain from all appearance of evil.

Philippians 4:8 - Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things [are] honest, whatsoever things [are] just, whatsoever things [are] pure, whatsoever things [are] lovely, whatsoever things [are] of good report; if [there be] any virtue, and if [there be] any praise, think on these things.

I'm not judging anybody who plays these games, i just know myself not to play these, it doesn't sit right in my heart.

Before i was saved i liked movies like scarface, goodfellas, casino, I also liked "gangster rap" Since being saved i realize how much garbage they are and not to listen or watch. I avoid Horror movies too, why watch demonic nonsense?

Hope this helps you.
So do you like electronic Scabble, i.e., the word game, maybe? :)
 
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Hi everyone! Nintendo is an interesting suggestion. I think they are particularly good at providing more innocent, interesting games that don't rely on violence.

faroukfarouk: It's not theological research, and my background is in culture studies (cultural sociology / cultural studies) so I am not very knowledgeable in how Thomism would work in relation to games. I'd be very keen to hear your thoughts on it though!! (Also, "met mij gaat het goed, met u?" ;) )
 
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Hi, i am a Christian and i do like to play games on the playstation. I struggle to find games to play though.

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I'm not judging anybody who plays these games, i just know myself not to play these, it doesn't sit right in my heart.

Thank you so much for your reply Riverwest. I am really curious: how do you choose which games you can and can't play, without playing them? Trailers? Or do you have some people you can trust to ask them about it?
 
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Hi everyone! Nintendo is an interesting suggestion. I think they are particularly good at providing more innocent, interesting games that don't rely on violence.

faroukfarouk: It's not theological research, and my background is in culture studies (cultural sociology / cultural studies) so I am not very knowledgeable in how Thomism would work in relation to games. I'd be very keen to hear your thoughts on it though!! (Also, "met mij gaat het goed, met u?" ;) )

I wouldnt necessarily call nintendo games innocent, maybe less violent, having a more vibrant and lush color palette etc.
In my experience nintendo games provide more lighthearted gaming while still being challenging and fun. Its some sort of a feel good atmosphere that few games achieve Imho. Many other games are critically acclaimed for its graphics, story or whatever lack ib this department.
Its a difference to me if I beat a level in Mario and defeat bowser than do a drive-by in GTA. But thats just me - maybe I have matured in my likings or just had too much of it. When I bought my wii u (first nintendo console after 18 years) I knew this was it for me and I havent really looked back to selling my 360 with all its games.
 
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Hi everyone,

I don't mean to spam or to bump unnecessarily. It seems like I'm unable to start conversations or send messages, so to reiterate my question (specifically to Riverwest, CaptainToad, Poppyseed78 and faroukfarouk – and anyone else reading this), would you be so kind as to help me out by telling me about your experiences over Skype?

It wouldn't take long, and I will guarantee absolute anonymity regarding your on- and offline identity. Just a quick conversation over Skype about your faith and how (if at all) that relates to your hobby :)

Will you be my good samaritan? :p Please let me know in this thread or my e-mail address (lars.dewildt [at] kuleuven.be). I would be eternally grateful!
 
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I'm not really comfortable doing a skype interview, but I'll try to address some of your questions here:

I might not be your target demographic because I'm really just a casual gamer. I have never played Xbox or Playstation games. I do play a few PC games, including one MMORPG, Guild Wars 2. Other PC games I have played included the Sims 1 &2, Bejeweled 3, Peggle, and Puzzle Quest.

Right now I own a Nintendo Wii and Wii-U. I like party and multi-player games mostly. In the past I had a Gamecube and an original Nintendo DS (gave it away years ago), on which I played puzzle games, Pokemon Pearl, and Mario Kart DS. I really like Nintendo because it matches my skill level. I'm not into anything overly challenging, to be honest. I like that Nintendo games don't require a big time commitment.

I prefer games that can be played with other people. I like the cooperation aspect; I'm not very competitive. How does my faith intersect with my gaming? Well, I'm a Christian, and in general I try to avoid overly violent media, including games and movies. But my choice in video games is influenced more by my interests/skill than my religion, I would say.

For a long time video games had a really negative reputation, and I don't think it was deserved. I mean, while violence in games, movies, and music etc is not good, I don't think it is the primary cause for real-life violence. There are violent people who don't play games, and there are people who play violent games who aren't violent.

Nintendo has helped to improve the reputation of gaming because of its vast family-friendly game library. The games are cute and not scary, and there is a user-friendly quality to a lot of the games that makes them easy for beginners.

Things like Pokemon Go have also made games more mainstream. People used to think of gamers as people who lived in their parents' basement and never saw the light of day, but Pokemon Go is popular among people of all ages and walks of life. People don't scoff at gamers nowadays like they did 20 years ago.
 
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Hi poppyseed,

Thanks! Just to be sure: you absolutely are the 'target demographic'. I'm not looking for the kind of elusive 'hardcore' gamer or anything like that. Just people that play games.

Just out of interest: which games do you play that you'd say contain some kind of religious element? Guild Wars has different religious systems, gods, and priests, for instance.

I'm interested what you think of those, in that game and others.

I'd be interested in a lot more (like what kind of character you play, whether they have a name, if and how they fit in the lore or whether you play 'you' and your own beliefs, and so on), but maybe that would be difficult to ask in this thread?



Also still interested in anyone else's experiences if they're willing to chime in :)
 
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Hi, I would not play any game that has "gods" in it. It's kind of idolatry. There is only one God and we are not to make graven images of him. I don't care if it's "just a game" I won't play god of war as again its all about so called gods. There is only one God.
 
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Hi poppyseed,

Thanks! Just to be sure: you absolutely are the 'target demographic'. I'm not looking for the kind of elusive 'hardcore' gamer or anything like that. Just people that play games.

Just out of interest: which games do you play that you'd say contain some kind of religious element? Guild Wars has different religious systems, gods, and priests, for instance.

I'm interested what you think of those, in that game and others.

I'd be interested in a lot more (like what kind of character you play, whether they have a name, if and how they fit in the lore or whether you play 'you' and your own beliefs, and so on), but maybe that would be difficult to ask in this thread?



Also still interested in anyone else's experiences if they're willing to chime in :)

These days, the only thing I play is Guild Wars 2. The Nintendo Games I own are pretty kid-friendly, so they don't have any religious elements - New Super Mario Bros, Boom Blox, Fortune Street, Mario Kart 8.

I like GW2 for a few reasons: There's no monthly fee to play; you can go at your own pace; there are a lot of cooperative/team components; the graphics are pretty; I like to be able to customize my characters' appearance; and I like the fantasy aspect. It reminds me of Lord of the Rings, of which I'm a big fan. This game feels like a very rich and multi-layered fantasy world. I also like that the game is not overly violent, and the "enemies" are not generally people - they are dragons, undead, or some other kind of fantasy villain.

GW2 lore does contain six gods, but they don't play an active role in this game. They seem to have disappeared in the generations since the original Guild Wars (which I also played). I don't remember the history exactly, but in GW2, the characters are on their own to defeat some very hostile dragons.

There are 5 "races" of characters in this game, one of which is the Norn (the others are humans, Asura, Charr, and Sylvari). Nature worship is a big part of Norn warrior culture, with shrines to raven, bear, and wolf. I guess you could say this is a type of idolatry. Personally I'm not bothered by it, but I understand if other people refuse to play due to this. I see it as just part of the fictional story of a fictional culture, and it has no influence on me and my own beliefs.

I haven't played any other MMORPGS or games such as God of War or Demigod, which both feature the "god" aspect heavily. I'm not interested in playing a game where my character is somehow part-god or descended from gods. I like playing characters that are just average people, who go on an extraordinary journey after much training. It feels more "realistic" this way, if you will.

I prefer ranged combat over melee, so my main character is a ranger. I also prefer "physical" damage, not magic like using spells and the like. All my characters are female, but only because I think the armor styles look better on females. All my characters have a name - it's required in the character creation menu. I like names with alliteration. Basically I just come up with a girl's first name that I like and pair it with an alliterating last name that somehow corresponds to her class, or profession. I don't spend too much time on name selection. The game has a huge variety of armor styles and colors for dyeing them. One of the things I like best is customizing the look of my characters.

My main character is a human ranger. I chose human simply because it makes the most sense to me, and the original Guild Wars only allowed you to create humans. This ranger is supposed to be a descendant of my original GW character. I don't consider her "me". I see her as more like a character in a story I'm reading or movie I'm watching. She is the kind of protagonist I'd like to watch - a loyal and smart woman, who by chance happens to befriend people who could use her help in saving the world. The plot has a "destiny" aspect to it, but it's kind of cheesy and hard to suspend disbelief for that. In my mind, she just happens to be skilled at what she does.

The main storyline of the game leaves a lot to be desired at times. There are plot holes, and the dialogue can be corny. For the most part though, I enjoy it, and the controls feel natural to me, no awkwardness. I like that you can choose to play however much you want, and there's no penalty. You can also play alone or with friends.

I actually play with my husband. It's a nice activity for us to do together in the winter months, when we're stuck in the house. I find the game relaxing, and I enjoy socializing with my "guild" since I don't talk to a lot of people in real life. Although the game is fun, I don't feel compelled to play all the time because there is no monthly fee.

I hope I answered your questions!
 
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Hi Poppyseed and Riverwest,

both of your answers are very informative!

Would any of you be willing to do a chat or voice interview?
It's easier to get in depth and to evade debates and self-censoring.

I wonder what the difference is between idolatry and gods in settings/games like Guild Wars versus a game like God of War. And how do you choose which to play? (And preferably, if I understand correctly, without playing them?)

Also, are there any games where Christianity actually *is* portrayed (possitively)? As opposed to games either being religiously innocent/naive (e.g., your nintendo examples) or having to ignore the religious content in a game as trivial to enjoying the game (e.g., in GW)?
 
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Hello LAWJ!
I thought I'd comment as well even though this post is three months old. I mainly play Guild Wars 2 these days. Like Poppyseed mentions, there are "Gods" in it but they play a very minor role. The storyline mainly revolves around defeating elder dragons that have woken from a long slumber and are wrecking havoc on the world.

I've kept playing this game mainly because I love the fellowship in my Christian guild. We usually have a guild/prayer meeting once a week and pray for each others needs. We also socialize and fellowship in TeamSpeak3 on the Northern Shiverpeaks server. We choose to use their TeamSpeak server vs our own because it gives us a chance to be a "light unto the world."

Merry Christmas!
 
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