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Looking for a quality camera

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I've done the 35mm point & shoots, I've done the low end digital camera, but I'm wanting to take my photos to the next level, but have no idea where to start. Any suggestions. I'm talking changeable lens type of cameras here...good stuff. Doesn't have to cost a million bucks, but be better than the point & click deals. Thanks :D
 
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if you have the cash, the cannon digital rebels are so nice....
i wish i had one of those. in the cheaper range is the 5mp cannon powershot, ive also heard great reviews from that cam and the 5mp sony dsc-v1 . but as for me i use a sony dsc-u60 because i love to take pictures underwater and stuff. as long as you have the money, there are plenty of good cameras around. good luck!
 
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800-1000 US dollars at least. but its a 6mp SLR type camera really a good deal compared to other digital SLRs. everything the 35mm reble could do but digital. really this is what you should get. Nikon is soon to be coming out with a competitor for this camera and i would be all over it. if you don't wnat to spend that much the Canon G5, or s50 are high end very adjustable point and shoot type digital cameras.

I say pay up and get a Digi Rebel.
 
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Grab a copy of either Shutterbug or eDitital Photo Magazines. Broadway Photo or B&H Photo are to good companies to deal with. I like B&H both have E stores so you can have a look see. www.bhphotovideo.com or www.bwayphoto.com Personaly I like the Canon Rebel. If you want a 35mm camara I suggest you go to a establish Camara dealer and look over some used ones. Canon or Nikon had made some wonderful camaras. NIKON F series are very good and Canon AE1'S are very nice. (It might be hard for you to find the mention mags. I should of look at your profile first)
 
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wildthing said:
(It might be hard for you to find the mention mags. I should of look at your profile first)
No, it won't be a problem to find those mags. I live in Alabama not Palestine. I'm "flying" their flag to draw attention the suffering Christians of Palestine and to remind those of us in the west to pray for our brothers and sisters in the East.
 
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There are a lot of good used cameras out there as lots of folks trade in for digital. For serious photography, look into a SLR body such as Canon, Nikon, Pentax, Minolta or Olympus. All have excellent optics. If you plan to eventually go digital, think about compatibility. Nikon digital SLRs still use the F-mount that lets you use lenses manufactured decades ago. (metering can sometimes be a challenge) Canon digital uses the EOS mount for the automatic focus system started in the 90s. (Not compatible with manual focus FD system) Canon AE-1 (FD system) described above is a good camera, but make sure it doesn't have squeeky shutter. (an expensive fix) For the same price, you can find old Canon F-1s or even Nikon manual bodies that were designed for longer use. If you are willing to consider screw mount lenses you can even go cheaper. Buddy of mine bought an old Yashica with screw mount off E-Bay that cost him $25 for camera and lens. Takes great pictures, but meter is pretty primative. Depending on film, you can get away with a primative or no meter just following sunny 16 rule. My first "good" camera did not have a meter.
 
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I would seriously NOT consider a digital SLR that is modelled on an older 35mm type camera. 35mm SLRs and their lenses were designed to get light onto a 35mm piece of film. For optimum quality, CCDs need light hitting them at 90 degrees in parrallel rays. Lenses designed for 35mm film cameras don't do this. Next generation cameras and lenses DO. Also the new digital lenses are of much higher resolution than film lenses. So when 40megapixel cameras come along the lenses will be up to the job.
Also because the CCD is much smaller than the film size, the lenses on a digital SLR are focusing on a smaller area, reducing their resolution further.

The current digital SLRs based on film SLRs are an intermediate "fix". They will be superseeded.

Read this for more info on next generation digital cameras
www.olympus-esystem.com/dea/technology/dl.html
www.olympus-esystem.com/dea/technology/index.html
 
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I hadn't thought of the parallel ray bit, but are they that off of parallel given the size of the sensor, and could that not be taken care of via software or hardware weighting functions.

Why does a digital lense have higher resolution ?? I thought the main effect was that the effective focal length was longer (WRT 35mm) so you would in effect be disadvantaged if you did a lot of wide angle work with fixed focal length glass.
 
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Mr Hako said:
I would seriously NOT consider a digital SLR that is modelled on an older 35mm type camera. 35mm SLRs and their lenses were designed to get light onto a 35mm piece of film. For optimum quality, CCDs need light hitting them at 90 degrees in parrallel rays. Lenses designed for 35mm film cameras don't do this. Next generation cameras and lenses DO. Also the new digital lenses are of much higher resolution than film lenses. So when 40megapixel cameras come along the lenses will be up to the job.
Also because the CCD is much smaller than the film size, the lenses on a digital SLR are focusing on a smaller area, reducing their resolution further.

The current digital SLRs based on film SLRs are an intermediate "fix". They will be superseeded.

Read this for more info on next generation digital cameras
www.olympus-esystem.com/dea/technology/dl.html
www.olympus-esystem.com/dea/technology/index.html


I think i have heard that before or something along thoes lines. but what aboiut the Nikon D70, thats got to be a new design....right.
 
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Mr Hako said:
I would seriously NOT consider a digital SLR that is modelled on an older 35mm type camera. 35mm SLRs and their lenses were designed to get light onto a 35mm piece of film. For optimum quality, CCDs need light hitting them at 90 degrees in parrallel rays. Lenses designed for 35mm film cameras don't do this. Next generation cameras and lenses DO. Also the new digital lenses are of much higher resolution than film lenses. So when 40megapixel cameras come along the lenses will be up to the job.
Also because the CCD is much smaller than the film size, the lenses on a digital SLR are focusing on a smaller area, reducing their resolution further.

The current digital SLRs based on film SLRs are an intermediate "fix". They will be superseeded.

Read this for more info on next generation digital cameras
www.olympus-esystem.com/dea/technology/dl.html
www.olympus-esystem.com/dea/technology/index.html
Olympus certainly makes a quality product (and always has). I do, however, have some reservations about the new Olympus E-1. First, for the original poster in this thread, you have to have a bit over 2 grand just to get started with a body, lens and optional program. There is no cheap start to upgrade to later. Second, the E-1 is the first camera designed around the 4/3 format. Uses a smaller sensor than the Canon or Nikon, and not much third party support -- yet. I guess before I spent that kind of money for a brand new system I want to make sure it isn't the next APS. Third, the so-called lens advantage has not evidenced itself in at least one third party test. See http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/olympuse1/page15.asp and http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/olympuse1/page21.asp Hard to know at this juncture if Olympus's claims are true or just advertising hype.

If you have the money, you will be happy with the Olympus. Of course for the same money you could go with a Nikon D-70 or Canon digital Rebel and get more lenses.
 
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of course, this is new technology and is expensive. This price is bound to go down and the quality up.

APS is not a good analogy - it was a bodge based on old technology. As are the current digital SLRs. Of course, they are fantastic quality...for what they are. But there will come a time when the technology will have to be abandoned in favour of newer things. Canon did this when they introduced their EOS system, superseeding their manual lenses.

I wouldn't recommend buying into the E system yet (I for one would NOT buy one). But the current digital technolgy of welding new gizomos into old cameras is a dead end street.


As to the question, why does digital have to have a higher resolution?. This is for a number of reasons. Firsty, traditional lenses, for film, don't need to be that sharp. Anything with a resolving power greater than the grain of the film is overkill. So manufactures don't make lenses as sharp as they can. it would be an expensive waste.

Digital sensors are capable, in the future, of resolving huge amounts of detail. The sky's the limit to how much a small 35mm-size sensor could capture. So much higher resolution lenses are needed. I don't think we are that far away from a time when SLR-size digital cameras will capture more detail than a 10x8 plate camera. But we need lenses that can do that. Current Canon, Nikon and Olympus lenses can't.

I have a digital camera - a £50 point and shoot. But for work I use film (35mm and 5x4). Until digital surpasses the quality of film, I will stay that way.
 
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well i do agree with the satement regarding the lower priced digital SLR cameras not having the lense capability to take good photos....ive seen what a Digital Reble can do and im quite impressed, also i looked into the Nikon D70 that camera comes with a Digital SLR specific lense.


oh oh DP review sais its "highly recommended".....just thought i would through that out. technology sucks so bad that we can say man this camera sucks lets wait a yea for a new model to come out....by the time that camera comes around ther will be better stuff on the horizon....i got my canon a70 and a month later there was the a75 with some more features and equal price..
 
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My first choice would be the Canon Digital Rebel for sure. However, that was above my price range. I bought an Olympus Camedia E10 (4MP) and it does very well. The quality is great. It really eats the batteries though, and the lens is not interchangeable. For the price, though, it works for me! (I bought a used one, a new one is probably still pretty high)
 
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