Look who's side God is no now.

[BCP1928]

Some people have called this blasphemy.

ICE Quotes the Bible in a New Propaganda Video

A government video distorts scripture in a recruitment drive for the immigration crackdown.

sojo.net

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Some people have called this blasphemy.

ICE Quotes the Bible in a New Propaganda Video

A government video distorts scripture in a recruitment drive for the immigration crackdown.

sojo.net

And people wonder "why" I place so much weight on the field of Hermeneutics and Biblical Exegesis where the Bible is being read.

 

[BCP1928]

And people wonder "why" I place so much weight on the field of Hermeneutics and Biblical Exegesis where the Bible is being read.

You think they didn't know any better?

 

[durangodawood]

Doesnt matter what it means now or was actually supposed to mean when written.

The point is to imbue the cause with some Bible vibe.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

You think they didn't know any better?

As surprising as it may be, some folks really don't "know any better."

 

[Paulos23]

There is a reason it is called the big book of multiple choice. A verse for everything, if you don't look to closely.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Doesnt matter what it means now or was actually supposed to mean when written.

The point is to imbue the cause with some Bible vibe.

No, it always matters, and misusing a piece of any literature shouldn't be lightly dismissed, for whatever purpose.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

There is a reason it is called the big book of multiple choice. A verse for everything, if you don't look to closely.

That's not actually the case. The more one can be educated, the less one will use biblical verses in willy-nilly fashion with over assurance.

 

[BCP1928]

That's not actually the case. The more one can be educated, the less one will use biblical verses in willy-nilly fashion with over assurance.

Or for propaganda. MAGA is a holy cause, which we always knew, anyway.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Or for propaganda. MAGA is a holy cause, which we always knew, anyway.

Although I appreciate various aspects of what the folks at ICE do in clearing out those who refuse to conform to expectations of social civility in the U.S., I wonder how many of them who quote from the book of Isaiah have actually read (and understood) the entirety and complexity of that book.

 

[public hermit]

Some people have called this blasphemy.

ICE Quotes the Bible in a New Propaganda Video

A government video distorts scripture in a recruitment drive for the immigration crackdown.

sojo.net

Wow, that's a twisted use of that passage. I agree with the author that they risk making themselves the referent of the prophecy.

The Jason Stanley book on propaganda is a helpful read. He's leaving to teach in Canada, and is explicit in saying it's because of the administration/political climate.

Stanley from Yale to Toronto - Daily Nous

Jason Stanley, currently professor of philosophy at Yale University, will be moving to the Munk School of Global Affairs and Public Policy at the University of Toronto (with a partial appointment in Toronto's Department of Philosophy). Professor Stanley is well known for his work in philosophy...

dailynous.com

 

[durangodawood]

No, it always matters, and misusing a piece of any literature shouldn't be lightly dismissed, for whatever purpose.

Personally I have a lot of respect for Christians efforts to understand what the Bible was really supposed to mean when written.

But the Bible has many uses these day. An honest search for meaning doesnt further many of those.

 

[d taylor]

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Any organization and their website, who is identifying as a Christian group and does not state what they believe and how to receive God's free gift of Eternal Life as a main part of their website. Is not really worth listening to.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

There is a reason it is called the big book of multiple choice. A verse for everything

Correct

I've also heard the expression
"If one is looking to pick cherries, it's the most abundant orchard"

 

[durangodawood]

Correct

I've also heard the expression
"If one is looking to pick cherries, it's the most abundant orchard"

As he said "if you dont look too closely".

A lot of false meanings fall away in context. And acquiring knowledge of context takes some work.

Otoh, it is a whole collection of books edited by various groups over a thousand year span, which records the moral and spiritual evolution of a people. Its bound to contain some conflicting instructions or emphases from one era to another.

 

[BCP1928]

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Any organization and their website, who is identifying as a Christian group and does not state what they believe and how to receive God's free gift of Eternal Life as a main part of their website. Is not really worth listening to.

Doesn't matter. That was just the first hit I got that had the video in it. The video speaks for itself, loud and clear.

 

[DaisyDay]

Any organization and their website, who is identifying as a Christian group and does not state what they believe and how to receive God's free gift of Eternal Life as a main part of their website. Is not really worth listening to.

ICE is not a Christian group, but a governmental organization and a supposedly secular one at that.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Did the Lord offer Isaiah a $50,000 signing bonus and student debt forgiveness?

I think not.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

As he said "if you dont look too closely".

A lot of false meanings fall away in context. And acquiring knowledge of context takes some work.

Otoh, it is a whole collection of books edited by various groups over a thousand year span, which records the moral and spiritual evolution of a people. Its bound to contain some conflicting instructions or emphases from one era to another.

There's actually quite a few direct conflicts/contradictions across a myriad of issues, but going down that rabbit hole would be a topic for the long-defunct "General Apologetics" sub-forum that hasn't been on here since 2014.


But the cherry picking I'm referring to is multi-layered.

It's not just the cherry picking that occurs on a single issue (which in this instance, would be the verses that imply being kind to immigrants from foreign lands versus the ones that imply that people should submit to a governing authority and its laws)

It's also the cherry picking that occurs with regards to whether or not the source material/book is even a valid basis for a moral argument in the first place.

For example: A person who is on the pro-undocumented immigrants' side will likely appeal to

Leviticus 19:33
When a stranger sojourns with you in your land, you shall not do him wrong. You shall treat the stranger who sojourns with you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself
(however, if they were to flip ahead to chapter 20, I'm guessing there's a verse in there that crowd wouldn't approve of very much, and certainly wouldn't want it used a basis for US law)

Or

1 Corinthians 12:13
For we were all baptized by one Spirit so as to form one body—whether Jews or Gentiles

Flip ahead a few pages to chapter 14 in the very same book and you get:
34 Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says.
35 If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.



And that latter form of cherry picking is especially unproductive because it comes across (quite obviously) as a "throwing it in Christians' faces that their political views are at odds with some verses in their book" critique, and typically is coming from a person who would call the book homophobic and misogynistic in other discussions for the content that's 2 pages away.


That's one reason why I, as an atheist, try my best to refrain from invoking biblical-based arguments against a religious person in the context of a political debate. I have no interest in making the bible a moral compass, nor do I believe most of what's in it, so why would I hang that over their heads as a basis for trying to convince them they're wrong about their position?

 

[Maria Billingsley]

Some people have called this blasphemy.

ICE Quotes the Bible in a New Propaganda Video

A government video distorts scripture in a recruitment drive for the immigration crackdown.

sojo.net

My Lord has been taken in vain!

What is worse for a Christian to do is to attribute such a wicked and evil act to Him.

I pray for those who have fallen deep into the grasp of Satan....deception.

Flag me.I don't care.
I am stricken with grief.