Look at Jn 14:1 in context

[OldStudent]

We love the wonderful promise of John 14:1-3. But I wonder if anyone found something extra special from its context?

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

We love the wonderful promise of John 14:1-3. But I wonder if anyone found something extra special from its context?

Do share, please....

 

[Byfaithalone1]

We love the wonderful promise of John 14:1-3. But I wonder if anyone found something extra special from its context?

What a great reminder, OS. Thanks for posting it.

BFA

 

[DarylFawcett]

Are you referring to the "Let not your heart be troubled." part?

 

[Cribstyl]

We love the wonderful promise of John 14:1-3. But I wonder if anyone found something extra special from its context?

To me, the context would be the whole chapter of John 14
Here is 1 of many things I see........
Jhn 14:1Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
Jhn 14:2In my Father's house are many mansions: if [it were] not [so], I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
Jhn 14:3And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, [there] ye may be also.

The promise you mentioned seems definately as a future place with Jesus.

I see Jesus saying if we believe in the father believe also in Him.
I often debate that the words in this context that says "If you love me keep my commandment" does not directly reference the 10.com, but rather what Jesus commanded those who followed Him.
Jhn 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
Jhn 14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

I see that people reject Jesus when they inject what Moses taught as what Jesus is commanding us to believe.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

The instruction given to Moses and the words of Jesus came from the same place.

 

[Byfaithalone1]

The instruction given to Moses and the words of Jesus came from the same place.

The recipients were not always the same.

BFA

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

The recipients were not always the same.

BFA

God's people.... sinners.... fallen mankind. However you want to say it, we are all the same and have been from the beginning.

 

[Cribstyl]

The instruction given to Moses and the words of Jesus came from the same place.



God's people.... sinners.... fallen mankind. However you want to say it, we are all the same and have been from the beginning.

Yes....The bible stems a timeline from the beginning to the end of time.
God once said eat vegetables, then after the flood He said to eat meat...
By Jesus saying: "Moses gave you the law" implies that Jesus did not come to give the law.

(Try not to digress to insults because I disagree with you)

 

[SavedSinner7]

Yes....The bible stems a timeline from the beginning to the end of time.
God once said eat vegetables, then after the flood He said to eat meat...
By Jesus saying: "Moses gave you the law" implies that Jesus did not come to give the law.

(Try not to digress to insults because I disagree with you)

"Moses gave you the law...", is not the law and the prophets the Old Testament, the Hebrew scriptures? And the law would be the Torah? Not exclusively the 10 commandments. When Jesus said he came not to abolish the law but to fulfill it, He was referring to the elaborate sacrificial system that had been central to Jewish economy for centuries prior. Type (sacrificial lamb) meets antitype (Christ, the Lamb of God).

Obviously, in some circles an undeserved emphasis is placed on works to the exclusion of righteousness by faith. This is a shame. The just will live by faith today as they always have (Abraham) and as they always will. Rev. says they overcame by the blood of the Lamb...not by the deeds of their flesh. However, when Jesus referred to the law, it would have also included the 10 commandments. No where in scripture are these done away with. The argument that these were nailed to the cross stems merely from a shadowy understanding of what the sacrificial system and the earthly sanctuary were all about.

Sorry if I was rambling.. I tend to do that.

 

[Byfaithalone1]

God's people.... sinners.... fallen mankind. However you want to say it, we are all the same and have been from the beginning.

Has God ever singled out a group as His chosen?

BFA

 

[Byfaithalone1]

"Moses gave you the law...", is not the law and the prophets the Old Testament, the Hebrew scriptures? And the law would be the Torah? Not exclusively the 10 commandments.

Yes, I believe so.

When Jesus said he came not to abolish the law but to fulfill it, He was referring to the elaborate sacrificial system that had been central to Jewish economy for centuries prior. Type (sacrificial lamb) meets antitype (Christ, the Lamb of God).

This sacrificial system was built into the observance of holy convocations.

Obviously, in some circles an undeserved emphasis is placed on works to the exclusion of righteousness by faith. This is a shame.

I agree. And it is truly a shame. Actually, it is another gospel.

The just will live by faith today as they always have (Abraham) and as they always will. Rev. says they overcame by the blood of the Lamb...not by the deeds of their flesh.

Well said.

However, when Jesus referred to the law, it would have also included the 10 commandments. No where in scripture are these done away with. The argument that these were nailed to the cross stems merely from a shadowy understanding of what the sacrificial system and the earthly sanctuary were all about.

Yes, the law was a shadow. Hebrews 10 confirms that. Yes, the law was one entire unit, including more than 600 laws described in books such as Exodus, Deuteronomy and Leviticus.

BFA

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Yes, the law was a shadow. Hebrews 10 confirms that. Yes, the law was one entire unit, including more than 600 laws described in books such as Exodus, Deuteronomy and Leviticus.

BFA

What was the sixth Commandment a shadow of? Or the any of them for that matter??

 

[Byfaithalone1]

What was the sixth Commandment a shadow of? Or the any of them for that matter??

Yes. The sixth commandment is a shadow, as were all old covenant laws. They were added 430 years after Adam until the Seed came. The Seed has come. All old covenant laws were a shadow of the Seed (as confirmed by both Galatians 3 and Hebrews 10).

BFA

 

[k4c]

Yes. The sixth commandment is a shadow, as were all old covenant laws. They were added 430 years after Adam until the Seed came. The Seed has come. All old covenant laws were a shadow of the Seed (as confirmed by both Galatians 3 and Hebrews 10).

BFA

What did the Law do? It pointed out sin and brought condemnation upon that sin. What did the Seed do? It took away the sin and removed the condemnation. But since we are no longer under the condenmation of the Law do we continue to sin? Certainly not! Does the Law stop defining sin? No way! Does the Spirit lead us into deeper relationship? Of course! Does He do it outside the Law or against the Law? Of course not!

Remember, the opposite of grace is not lawlessness, it's punishment.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Yes. The sixth commandment is a shadow, as were all old covenant laws. They were added 430 years after Adam until the Seed came. The Seed has come. All old covenant laws were a shadow of the Seed (as confirmed by both Galatians 3 and Hebrews 10).

BFA

You still didn't say what the fulfillment was for 'Do not commit adultry'

 

[Byfaithalone1]

You still didn't say what the fulfillment was for 'Do not commit adultry'

Take another look, particularly my last sentence. BTW . . . has God ever singled out a group as His chosen?

K4C: Remember, the opposite of grace is not lawlessness, it's punishment.

We agree that the opposite of grace is not lawlessness. It's death.

BFA