Longevity, Tooth Wear, and Genesis

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[Kenny'sID]

I explained that scenario in the rest of my post.

I see that.

 

[lesliedellow]

Stuff didn't wear out back then, like it does today.

So, like Dad, you think the laws of nature can be varied according to taste, without catastrophic results flowing from (say) a sudden change in the value of Newton's constant.

 

[Kenny'sID]

If people lived to be up to 1,000 years old, but their teeth lasted only 100+ years, that would be a bit remiss of God wouldn't it?

Agree. Now the question is, would God be any more remiss with the teeth than any other body part?

 

[lesliedellow]

Agree. Now the question is, would God be any more remiss with the teeth than any other body part?

So how did bodies back then differ from those we have today? To last for 1,000 years, they would have to be radically different.

 

[Kenny'sID]

So how did bodies back then differ from those we have today? To last for 1,000 years, they would have to be radically different.

Yeah, something had to be different, but something also had to be different about Adams body that was never meant to die at all. God Changes things...anyone capable of creating a universe can undoubtedly make that happen. How? your guess is as good as mine....spoke it into being? If one doesn't believe in God, his power, his word in the first place, why even ponder it?

 

[lesliedellow]

Adams body that was never meant to die at all.

Indeed. Then what would the world's population be today in that case? Even if the Earth was only 6,000 years old, a quick calculation on my little calculator puts it at 1.76 * 10^72. Enough to populate every inhabitable planet in the visible universe, in other words.

 

[Steve Petersen]

Yeah, something had to be different, but something also had to be different about Adams body that was never meant to die at all. God Changes things...anyone capable of creating a universe can undoubtedly make that happen. How? your guess is as good as mine....spoke it into being? If one doesn't believe in God, his power, his word in the first place, why even ponder it?

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Didit_fallacy

 

[Kenny'sID]

Indeed. Then what would the world's population be today in that case?

Why do you even ask that? Are you assuming something without reason?

I'll give you a minute with that before I comment further.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Didit_fallacy

fallacy again?

Man, you guys rely of that word a lot. Do you ever offer your own arguments...it'd make things a lot more interesting.

 

[Steve Petersen]

Why do you even ask that? Are you assuming something without reason?

I'll give you a minute with that before I comment further.



fallacy again?

Man, you guys rely of that word a lot. Do you ever offer your own arguments...it'd make things a lot more interesting.

When you don't have a rational argument, don't say 'It is possible, because God can do anything.' While that may be possible, it doesn't prove that He actually did it.

 

[lesliedellow]

Why do you even ask that? Are you assuming something without reason?

I'll give you a minute with that before I comment further

I am assuming that Adam and Eve would have reproductive organs before the fall, and that, if they had not lost their immortality, they would have put them to good use, producing more immortals, who would have produced more immortals, who would have....

A nuclear explosion would be small fry, compared with the population explosion of immortal beings.

 

[Kenny'sID]

When you don't have a rational argument, don't say 'It is possible, because God can do anything.' While that may be possible, it doesn't prove that He actually did it.

Do you honestly think I'm trying to prove anything to you?

My rational argument IS "because God can do anything. I don't think you understand, I'm not playing by your rules, nor am I bound too. You are certainly not going to play by mine.

See you are allowed to use anything from the bible to argue against the Bible being factual, but I am not allowed that same option...God is part of the Bible, I'll use him and his powers as explanation if I want.

For instance, what Les is saying...he's using the bible, quoting it and assuming it's true in order to show it steps on itself. If he or you are going to do that, you have to let me do the same and not try to cut me off with your unfair, one sided rules...it's ridiculous that you would even try.

Anyway, Les made an error in calculation when he assumed God would have told Adam to be fruitful and multiply *before* his body had changed and would die. God might have handled it a whole different way had man not sinned and lost the ability to live forever.

 

[Kenny'sID]

I am assuming that Adam and Eve would have reproductive organs before the fall, and that, if they had not lost their immortality, they would have put them to good use, producing more immortals, who would have produced more immortals, who would have....

At least you caught on to what I was getting at...what you did with it? *shrug, I guess should be expected.

 

[Steve Petersen]

Do you honestly think I'm trying to prove anything to you?

My rational argument IS "because God can do anything. I don't think you understand, I'm not playing by your rules, nor am I bound too. You are certainly not going to play by mine.

See you are allowed to use anything from the bible to argue against the Bible being factual, but I am not allowed that same option...God is part of the Bible, I'll use him and his powers as explanation if I want.

For instance, what Les is saying...he's using the bible, quoting it and assuming it's true in order to show it steps on itself. If he or you are going to do that, you have to let me do the same and not try to cut me off with your unfair, one sided rules...it's ridiculous that you would even try.

Anyway, Les made an error in calculation when he assumed God would have told Adam to be fruitful and multiply *before* his body had changed and would die. God might have handled it a whole different way had man not sinned and lost the ability to live forever.

I see. Sorry for wasting your time.

 

[Kenny'sID]

I see. Sorry for wasting your time.

Sorry to say, when someone takes your dud ammunition away, that is expected as well.

I got the time so not a problem, but make the assumption if it helps you get over things.

 

[lesliedellow]

Anyway, Les made an error in calculation when he assumed God would have told Adam to be fruitful and multiply *before* his body had changed and would die. God might have handled it a whole different way had man not sinned and lost the ability to live forever.

"So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth" (Gen 1.27-28a)

You shouldn't assume that TEs are as unfamiliar with the Bible as YECs.

 

[Steve Petersen]

Sorry to say, when someone takes your dud ammunition away, that is expected as well.

Hardly. The only response to the question I posed was 'God can do anything.' Sounds to me like your 'ammunition' is really nothing more than fairy dust.

 

[Kenny'sID]

"So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth" (Gen 1.27-28a)

Yes, that's a quick rundown on how it went, and if you are aware of the fact the details are also in there, I'll also assume you are conveniently leaving that out. If you don't know about the details...well actually by your posts I see you do so, never-mind.

You shouldn't assume that TEs are as unfamiliar with the Bible as YECs.

As far as I can tell my assumption was correct. As for not assuming anything, that's just a time saver, it doesn't mean anything is rock solid, it only means I for instance here am stating that is likely and it's always open to yours or whoever's correction.

 

[Hoghead1]

Hardly. The only response to the question I posed was 'God can do anything.' Sounds to me like your 'ammunition' is really nothing more than fairy dust.

I seriously question your concept of God here. I and other contemporary theologians feel that divine omnipotence is a major theological mistake. For one thing, it grants God no real character. Anyone with a solid value system is not going to go and do just anything. Do you think God goes and does evil things? I sure don't. For another, it overlooks the reality of freedom. I believe we all have freedom. That means God cannot decide for us. We have to decide for 0ourselvewss. Hence, God is not a cosmic dictator, in complete and total monopolistic control of the universe, as per omnipotence. Certainly Scripture seriously challenges omnipotence, in that it make sit very clear many things happen counter God's will and then disappoint God.

 

[lesliedellow]

Yes, that's a quick rundown on how it went, and if you are aware of the fact the details are also in there, I'll also assume you are conveniently leaving that out. If you don't know about the details...well actually by your posts I see you do so, never-mind.

No matter how much you might try to squirm your way out of it, those words were spoken prior to the fall.