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In heaven? I read somewhere that when you die and have your little family reunion, that those are demons trying to take you to hell. They get you to go with them without a fight. They laugh and say " it works every time." If you see family members and friends you SCREAM for Jesus immediately. That was told by a man who had a near death experience and was brought back to life after they had morphed into their actual appearances. He was terrified by their grotesque disfigurations and demeanor as they were mean.
 
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Part of it could be his doubt that God is real. He doesn't have the faith or reassurance that God even exists so he couldn't have been seeking Him for very long. In my experience, I know God is real. For a fact. I know that I am never alone as well, and I never feel like I am. I have peace of mind by myself and can enjoy my alone time. There is no loneliness in true Christianity is there?
 
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For a fact. I know that I am never alone as well, and I never feel like I am. I have peace of mind by myself and can enjoy my alone time. There is no loneliness in true Christianity is there?

Before I knew God was with me and understood it on an adult level, I learned to be alone. My siblings were 6 years older. Sometimes we played together. Sometimes we didn’t. They weren’t responsible for my entertainment. I made friends and discovered the joys of playing alone.

In my teens I’d go to restaurants, shop, or see a movie if the mood struck. I had friends. But I didn’t require company all the time. Sometimes I wanted to enjoy the experience without distractions.

I’ve never attended a church where I knew anyone. I got involved and made friends. I didn’t feel alone. The Lord was my companion and He brought the people I needed.

Yours in His Service,

~bella
 
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It's context sensitive. If they're sitting by themselves reading in a coffee shop or library, they probably don't want to be disturbed. If they're at church sitting alone, I can almost guarantee you they want to be involved and not be alone.
It is not ONLY Church that this is an issue, but I don't want to make it sound like Church is comparable to the other social situations where this is an issue, school (say like the cafeteria or playground), and parties. Because at Church you're not there FOR the social community, you're there to worship God. It is however, a social community and worship is better when there is a welcoming, loving community doing it, rather than a clique. However, if a person is being a wallflower at a party, they're probably not there just to be alone, they probably want to feel welcome and included.
I will say that Church in particular as a social situation does present a rather unique challenge to it, because the social aspect of it is NOT the primary reason you are there. Because you are there not for you but for God, that puts extra pressure NOT to include yourself and make it about you, so you sit quietly alone, worship, and listen to the sermon because it keeps the focus on God and disregards your own needs.
At a party, the reason you are there, is the social element, so I would find myself much more willing to stick my neck out, because I assume everyone one else there, is also there to meet and interact with people. You can't make that assumption at Church, you're there for God, they're there for God.... but you'd still like to feel connected to those people and interact with them, and feel included. But sticking your neck out is trying to put yourself and your needs before God.. so.. it's a bind. You're drowning.

People do a lot of things on their own. They go to eat, entertainment, events, etc. But they don’t wait for others to approach them. If they want to make small talk they do.
Church isn't a library, and it also isn't a party.
People aren't at church to be alone, but their primary focus is also not the social aspect.

You're expecting the drowning man to climb aboard the boat on their own power. That's what it boils down to. Some people are strong swimmers.
Others are not.
Did Jesus expect everyone to be strong swimmers?
Obviously not, or He wouldn't have thrown out the lifeline.

We're not talking about 2 single people here where either one is in the same position in making the first move to break the ice. We're talking about an outsider trying to come into an established community. Are they welcomed or are you expecting them to just invite themselves in to your close knit, family like community?

Either way you slice it you’re not the bad guy. They are. If they fail to act you have a retort. If they don’t respond the way you hoped you have a different reply. They’ve become the scapegoat and the one you blame.
I'm not saying anyone is a bad guy. I'm saying that it's natural in human behavior to not welcome strangers into their community. That is part of human nature and it's a defense mechanism. To not invite strangers into your place of safety. This actually goes both ways. The group fears infiltration by an undesirable that will damage the community, at its most basic level, it's a defense against outside diseases, or a criminal. The lone person fears rejection and opening themselves into a more vulnerable position where the group can easily hurt them.
In this case, I'm advocating that neither the lone person, or the congregation, are bad people. It's just positions of relative weakness vs relative strength, and it is easier, especially in the context of Church where again, the focus is not on the people but on God, to reach out and include the person joining in from outside, than for the outsider to try and make inroads themselves.

Acceptance is the only way you won’t complain. That’s like having a gun to your head.

Yours in His Service,

~bella
No, what I'm asking is to be aware of those people who might be lonely, and reach out to them.
and what you're asking is for the lonely people to reach out themselves and try to force their way in on their own.. in a situation that is not about themselves.
Ultimately some of those people are not strong enough swimmers and will drown. They will probably, most likely, suffer in silence, especially in Church because the focus is not them, it's God.
That doesn't mean they don't still have those needs, it just means they may just have to suffer them not being fulfilled because they are less important.
I think the fact that they have come to church, as a stranger, is a first move. It's not like I'm telling you to go find Lost souls house to house.
 
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No, that's not it at all.
God is real, but God is also intangible and invisible.
and yes, you can be alone in true Christianity
Genesis 2:18.

God was with Adam, GOD still determined that Adam was alone and it was not a good thing.
 
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I was single until my mid 30's, then married for 9 years. I got divorced 26 years ago. I learned a few things through those experiences.
1. God is on your side.
2. A relationship can be heaven or hell on earth.
3. Getting married does not solve spiritual problems
4. Happy and contented is much more attractive than complaining and depression
5. 21 is not old
6. Waiting is a spiritual discipline that God uses to strengthen us. Do a word study on patience and faith. You will be surprised how often they are twinned.
7. I suggest that you look up Mark Gungor on youtube. He's probably the best on marriage, courting and relationships.

There may be attitude problems that God want to resolve before you get married. I had a lot of issues, hence I married late in life. I knew that I wasn't ready. I used to say terrible things like "I wouldn't want to marry someone dumb enough to want to marry me." That is not humility, it's an insult to the grace and love of God that made me to be a new creation in Christ. I was way too self absorbed.

Never doubt God's love for you. We can be like spoiled brats at times. God sent Jesus to die in your place. That's love. Right now, my closest friend is in hospital. She's been in ICU for over a week and I've not been able to visit due to COVID restrictions. I'm climbing the walls right now. But I've learned not to doubt God's love. By all means complain to God. Never ever complain about God. Complaining is Satan's language. Avoid at all costs!
 
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You meet Jesus first, but then you'd be reunited with friends and family I believe.
That's part of why Paul taught people to be comforted in 1 Thessalonians 4.
People were afraid that their dead beloved in Christ would never be seen again. Paul taught them not only would those asleep in Christ not miss out on the Lord's return, but they'd have front row seats.
There will be reunions and you'll see loved ones that passed away there.

Paul didn't say "don't worry about those other people, just focus on Jesus, He's all you'll ever want to see anyway" Paul said that when Jesus comes back your family will meet you in the air with Him.
Even before the resurrection ...

Revelation 6:9-10

at least as far as I can tell, they know they are part of a group.
 
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I am single and live alone. Sometimes I face the temptation to fall into despair about this.

However I counter this by remembering that if God seems it spiritually beneficial to me to find a wife, then I shall. If I don't find one it's because it's not good for me and God has something else planned for me.

Having also not been a Christian for most of my life, there is a temptation to think "well come on then, where's my Christian wife?" Having converted. But we all have to be patient. You are very young, maybe God is just waiting for you to be ready to meet your marriage partner. I certainly would not be inclined to despair if I was in my early twenties.
 
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where I run into a stumbling block with this is.. the matter of perspective. I look at it as God will do for me not necessarily what I will enjoy most, but what will glorify Him most. If that means I suffer, then obviously I don't enjoy that, even if it glorifies God in the process, it's still suffering.

I get stuck on the idea that if it comes between happiness and Holiness, God will choose Holiness for me even if happiness doesn't accompany it. There are a lot of examples in the bible of God's plan for individuals glorifies God, but the person involved in the plan suffers.

Job but God did repay for that faith in suffering so there is that
Jeremiah, the weeping prophet (does that sound like a happy man?) forbidden to marry or have children (and this would be a forever thing since those opportunities don't exist after death or in the resurrection, doesn't matter what Jeremiah wanted in his life), and prophecy that Judah would fall and its people including its king would be taken into captivity, for which he was jailed.
Hosea, who was told to marry a prostitute, and then take her back after she committed adultery and went back into prostitution
Elijah who wanted to die
Steven who was stoned to death
Paul who was stoned and left for dead
almost all of the Apostles were martyred, except John who was exiled so that He could write Revelation.

So yeah, God may be glorified, but it might be that glory comes from suffering.
 
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And what about the Christians left behind? I think more will be left behind than will be taken because so many are ignorant to the Bible and of God's laws. Many only know of the 10 commandments. What if left behind and satan uses the threat of torturing our children if we do not bow before him and worship him?
 
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See? I am very similar. I never feel alone either. I never have that terrified feeling of being by myself and in danger which is an absolutely horrendous feeling. I had it once when I was under conviction and suffered a brutal spiritual attack. The Lord saved me but He withdrew Himself shortly after and when I prayed to Him, He was not there and I was mortified. I had to build my faith back up again and prove myself to not just be empty words with an empty heart. I had gone numb briefly but figured it out. That was 30 years ago.
 
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We're saved by Grace through Faith.
mind you I don't have a pretribulation rapture belief so.. you may believe in a partial rapture to explain the "tribulation saints"
I don't do either of those. All those in Christ are taken in the rapture.
but that's a different topic.
 
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That is not my fear of being alone.
my fear of being alone is not danger, but rather.. a lack of connection to others, nobody to share love with, and a feeling that only God CAN love me and only God understands me, but that relationship is one way, because I cannot understand God as well as He understands me, so it's a relationship not on equal grounds. He's so much above me. I desire relationship with people that understand me and I understand them on equal terms. Where I feel included and not excluded, and I can love them and they can love me.
I will never be God's equal, so that relationship alone leaves me missing something.
 
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See? I am very similar. I never feel alone either. I never have that terrified feeling of being by myself and in danger which is an absolutely horrendous feeling.

I don’t have negative associations with aloneness. It’s restorative and allows the mind to rest. When you’re inundated with external inputs its easy to grow fatigued. Quiet restores inner balance and enables you to meet responsibilities without feeling frazzled.

The Lord saved me but He withdrew Himself shortly after and when I prayed to Him, He was not there and I was mortified.

I had a 3 year period of time with God after my deliverance. I had few distractions or people to converse with. We developed a close relationship and I learned the beauty of making God your source.

I value human companionship like the next. If I had to go without and be limited to my loved ones I’ll be fine. That’s how it was and our bond deepened.

As Habakkuk said: Though the fig tree should not blossom, nor fruit be on the vines, the produce of the olive fail and the fields yield no food, the flock be cut off from the fold and there be no herd in the stalls, yet I will rejoice in the LORD; I will take joy in the God of my salvation.

When your need quotient is filled by Him your expectations of others lessen. You allow them to be themselves without demands. The absence of pressure creates better connections. You aren’t focused on getting and that’s more appealing.

I had to build my faith back up again and prove myself to not just be empty words with an empty heart. I had gone numb briefly but figured it out. That was 30 years ago.

How did it affect your walk in the long run?

Yours in His Service,

~bella
 
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If they're at church sitting alone, I can almost guarantee you they want to be involved and not be alone.

You are reading their position from the lens of loneliness. No responsible leader would say the same. It’s basically typecasting.

You’re projecting your experiences onto others. To attribute their omission of companionship to desires you’re unable to confirm is assumptive. You’ve crafted a narrative beyond the obvious. That’s how stereotypes are formed.

but you'd still like to feel connected to those people and interact with them, and feel included. But sticking your neck out is trying to put yourself and your needs before God.. so.. it's a bind. You're drowning.

If relational needs are unmet we overcompensate. In this case, church becomes the lone avenue for human companionship. Most people sitting beside you aren’t friendless. Nor does family have the same connotations. You aren’t looking outward and depending on parishioners to be the friend or brother you lack. The need is met elsewhere.


We enter unfamiliar settings all the time and start anew. School, work, church, activities, etc. Paul said, When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I gave up childish ways.

When a child protests—no one will play with me—we may intervene. But adults don’t operate that way. They don’t form relationships through strong-arming or guilt trips. They allow people to forge connections naturally. Most churches have welcome wagons to address newcomers and help others plugin.


I doubt most people think along those lines about their church.

to reach out and include the person joining in from outside, than for the outsider to try and make inroads themselves.

Most people don’t adopt the label of outsider in new environments. That hails from previous experiences. The church didn’t wound you. The church didn’t reject you. You were wounded when you arrived. And until the person grasps the magnitude of that statement nothing will change.

They are living out their woundedness. They view life and others through their negative experiences. They expect others to do the same and ensconce themselves in a cell while craving release.

All you’ve said is the domain of a therapist. Not the person beside you. The loneliness must be addressed on multiple levels. Dwelling on connections while ignoring the deeper issues won’t solve the problem.

Just because you meet someone doesn’t mean you have the tools to maintain the bond. Neediness is demanding and self-focused. It usually drives people away. Smothering is a common complaint. Many people who struggle with loneliness can’t maintain connections for that reason.

Yours in His Service,

~bella
 
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Been there too. Yes, Terrifying when The Lord withdraws. Sometimes, alone can be good, no distractions.

robin williams quoted something, and it was so sad. Something along the lines of; ‘I used to think that being alone was the worst thing in the world, it’s not, it’s being with people who make you feel alone’
 
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Have you ever considered that God experiences loneliness? What you are describing is a form of spiritual warfare. Perhaps, this teaching will help you out. Grace and Peace to you.
Living God Ministries - The Loneliness of God
 
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I've got no particular type in mind, I just would like her to be a good person and not involved in drugs or anything like that. For me it stings that much than I just can't force myself to go to church anymore, it makes no sense. Thank you for your support and answers.
 
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I think I'm a very good person. I'm never selfish. I am really sensitive and reflective, I can give so much love and understanding to other people. It feels like an enormous waste that I'm alone.
 
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