Logos vs OliveTree

[ByTheSpirit]

So which do you prefer if you use either?

I have both and have noticed strengths to each.

Logos has many more resources for free IF you are connected to a WiFi spot.

OliveTree has more free resources to download and use. Their products for purchase are cheaper.

Really don't notice any strengths between the two in interface, they seem the same to me.

What do you think? Do you use either? Is there something I'm missing out on with those programs?

 

[FerventDisciple]

Of the 2 my preference is for Olive Tree. But I only really use it for reference, I prefer to have all important books and Bibles in hardcopy form. You can never really say for sure that resources purchased on apps or programs will never be lost or taken away. The internet and software companies won't last for ever, but calfskin Bibles will, well almost

 

[Biblicist]

Am I allowed to add BibleWorks 9 into the mix?

 

[ByTheSpirit]

Am I allowed to add BibleWorks 9 into the mix?

Sure

 

[Biblicist]

Sure

Very good! Of course as BW9 is a research/linguistic tool this means that it does not come with any books, other than with the obligatory lexicons and grammars.

As I have to rely on paper as probably very few of the books that I go to are available online, then I am more than happy to scan them in and convert them to an appropriate format. Thankfully I have some superb software which allows me to not only scan in a page but the program also captures the various Greek fonts and even the ultra-fine footnotes.

I've discovered that ABBYY Fine Reader does a superb job with scanning - it's a pretty impressive tool that even surpasses OmniPage.

 

[ByTheSpirit]

I have strongly considered going just strictly ink and paper route as FerventDisciple said for the reasons he gave. Really a very good point he made. But something about the iPad apps, the resources are cheaper, etc. It's a convenience thing really

 

[Biblicist]

I have strongly considered going just strictly ink and paper route as FerventDisciple said for the reasons he gave. Really a very good point he made. But something about the iPad apps, the resources are cheaper, etc. It's a convenience thing really

I wish that the choice was that simple. One of the obvious advantages with having a program such as Logos is that it comes with a lot of the more populist books which is something that BibleWorks 9 does not provide.

This means that BW9 users will need to purchase paper editions of the many dozens of major commentaries but as very few of them will be included in the primary software packages then it is not really an issue. My own preference is with paper as I find that even though I regularly use three screens I still find that I can easily have five or more commentaries open on my desk ( a big one) so I find that paper editions can actually speed up my study. When it comes to word or passage studies then a top end Bible program is worth its weight in gold.

Software programs are superb for compiling raw data; it only takes one button press for me to have BW9 provide me with upwards of 20 pages of data from its database along with the six extra Greek lexicons that I have.

 

[ByTheSpirit]

I wish that the choice was that simple. One of the obvious advantages with having a program such as Logos is that it comes with a lot of the more populist books which is something that BibleWorks 9 does not provide.

This means that BW9 users will need to purchase paper editions of the many dozens of major commentaries but as very few of them will be included in the primary software packages then it is not really an issue. My own preference is with paper as I find that even though I regularly use three screens I still find that I can easily have five or more commentaries open on my desk ( a big one) so I find that paper editions can actually speed up my study. When it comes to word or passage studies then a top end Bible program is worth its weight in gold.

Software programs are superb for compiling raw data; it only takes one button press for me to have BW9 provide me with upwards of 20 pages of data from its database along with the six extra Greek lexicons that I have.

That sounds really extensive, but also like a lot of work.

 

[Biblicist]

That sounds really extensive, but also like a lot of work.

The main drag with good software (and the all important extras) is that it certainly is not cheap! For some reason I seem to enjoy holding a heavy text in my hands after forking about a fair bit of money; somehow, a mere CD key and a few black lines on a screen don't seem to give me the same sense of satisfaction.

 

[Optimax]

I have used PC Study Bible for many years

 

[Biblicist]

I have used PC Study Bible for many years

A really helpful website is that of Biblehub.com as it contains a lot of superb study aids including a brilliant lexion.

 

[ByTheSpirit]

A really helpful website is that of Biblehub.com as it contains a lot of superb study aids including a brilliant lexion.

I absolutely love biblehub... not always accessible though

 

[ByTheSpirit]

I have used PC Study Bible for many years

Didn't Logos have a PC software program? I may be thinking of BibleVerse or something like that...

 

[Biblicist]

Didn't Logos have a PC software program? I may be thinking of BibleVerse or something like that...

Logos and BibleWorks would undoubtedly be the two primary academic programs, though there are a few other major research programs which are targeted toward specific needs and I think that MAC might have a top-end program as well.

With Logos, it has the advantage that it comes with a lot of non-language specific books which can be helpful for those who are preparing sermons. BibleWorks is designed purely for study and linguistic endeavours.

I would think that Biblehub.com would probably be all that most people would need - a really great tool.

 

[DMW]

Superb high end program for Mac = Accordance.
They now have a Windows version available.

With respect to vulnerability of resources, your hard copies are wearing out, subject to fire, flood and theft. Electronic editions have backups at home, and on the servers at the company.

There is simply no comparison to the power of a good Bible program vs printed editions.
I routinely have multiple translation running in parallel with multiple study Bible notes and several commentaries. All of these follow me verse by verse so that I am always synced. Not to mention massive cross-references a click away, and dozens of lexicons and dictionaries.
I also attach my own notes to verses. Some verses, like Mark 11:23,24 have a page or two of notes attached, just a click away, or displayed in an adjoining window.
I know people who won't let go of their paper Bibles because they've got a few scribblings in the margins that they don't want to lose!

 

[ByTheSpirit]

Superb high end program for Mac = Accordance.
They now have a Windows version available.

With respect to vulnerability of resources, your hard copies are wearing out, subject to fire, flood and theft. Electronic editions have backups at home, and on the servers at the company.

There is simply no comparison to the power of a good Bible program vs printed editions.
I routinely have multiple translation running in parallel with multiple study Bible notes and several commentaries. All of these follow me verse by verse so that I am always synced. Not to mention massive cross-references a click away, and dozens of lexicons and dictionaries.
I also attach my own notes to verses. Some verses, like Mark 11:23,24 have a page or two of notes attached, just a click away, or displayed in an adjoining window.
I know people who won't let go of their paper Bibles because they've got a few scribblings in the margins that they don't want to lose!

For the longest time I had a hard time accepting digital translations. The ink and paper copy of my favorite Bible I just felt like I had opened a letter from God and was holding it in my hand. It took some time, but now I do agree the digital copies have clear advantages. I do feel hard copies are needed of certain resources as back up.

 

[Biblicist]

Superb high end program for Mac = Accordance.
They now have a Windows version available.

With respect to vulnerability of resources, your hard copies are wearing out, subject to fire, flood and theft. Electronic editions have backups at home, and on the servers at the company.

There is simply no comparison to the power of a good Bible program vs printed editions.
I routinely have multiple translation running in parallel with multiple study Bible notes and several commentaries. All of these follow me verse by verse so that I am always synced. Not to mention massive cross-references a click away, and dozens of lexicons and dictionaries.
I also attach my own notes to verses. Some verses, like Mark 11:23,24 have a page or two of notes attached, just a click away, or displayed in an adjoining window.

I know people who won't let go of their paper Bibles because they've got a few scribblings in the margins that they don't want to lose!

Paper Bibles! Good grief, I've gone way past this rather humble stage. As most of the high end commentaries that I own are not (currently) available as an e-book then we are compelled to combine both software and paper resources.

Then you have the incredible online subscription journals that are available where we can download electronic copies and unless the articles are sizable they can be easily printed. Even though I highly value my BW9 program for quick access to the various Bible editions and for raw analysis of the data that I need, as very few of the newer and better lexicons etc are available on e-book then we will be again compelled to rely on paper for many years to come.

When I come across an online article that I want to keep, as I own Acrobat XI Pro this allows me to quickly save the article as a PDF where I can then use Acrobats superb note and marking facility for making electronic scribbles on the article.

 

[DMW]

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[DMW]

Which lexicons are not available in Bible programs? Virtually every Hebrew and Greek lexicon is available.

I agree about being comfortable with a paper Bible. I sometimes grab a regular Bible just to relax with the Word and avoid the distractions of everything available on the computer.

 

[DMW]

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