GillDouglas
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Needs to change his title to 'Agent of Men', for that is where his hope is.
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Needs to change his title to 'Agent of Men', for that is where his hope is.It appears to me, that you will deliberately corrupt all the scriptures to support your crazy views. Just like Peter said.
Yes, I see what you mean that moniker he has.Needs to change his title to 'Agent of Men', for that is where his hope is.
This is a false defense for conditional security. The Bible TELLS us what the sealing is FOR: the day of redemption. That's the purpose FOR the sealing. The DAY of redemption.Being sealed with the Holy Spirit does not mean a person cannot break that seal. Seals mentioned in the Bible have been broken.
Where did you get the idea that what spoke to Saul was simply a "being who looked like Samuel"? The Bible very directly refers to him as Samuel. You have added a false idea to the Scripture.First, the being who looked like Samuel in the vision said this to Saul,
"Wherefore then dost thou ask of me, seeing the Lord is departed from thee, and is become thine enemy?" (1 Samuel 28:16).
So now, it may have even been a demonic being. Wowsers. The Bible calls him Samuel. 1 Sam 28:12 - When the woman saw Samuel, she cried out with a loud voice; and the woman spoke to Saul, saying, “Why have you deceivedme? For you are Saul.”Here we see it is very clear that the spirit who appeared as Samuel (Whether it was a genuine vision or demonic one), had said to Saul that God had departed from him and said he has become his enemy.
Would anyone being comforted in hearing about dying the next day? Samuel was specific in what he told Saul in v.19 - “Moreover the LORD will also give over Israel along with you into the hands of the Philistines, therefore tomorrow you and your sons will be with me. Indeed the LORD will give over the army of Israel into the hands of the Philistines!”Second, the being that appeared as Samuel said he would be with him. This is talking about death because in verse 20, Saul was not comforted in hearing these words but he was very afraid.
Big deal. Notice the brackets. That means it's not in the original. And the AB is only a paraphrased translation anyway, and not regarded by scholars.Also, other translations make it clear that the spirit that appeared as Samuel said that he would be with him in death, too.
"Moreover, the Lord will also put Israel along with you into the hands of the Philistines, and tomorrow you and your sons will be with me [among the dead]." (1 Samuel 28:16) (Amplified Bible).
Sounds like another paraphrased version."Tomorrow the Lord will let the Philistines defeat Israel’s army, then you and your sons will join me down here in the world of the dead." (1 Sameuel 18:16) (Contempory English Version).
Since you've shown no regard for what the Scriptures actually SAY, I don't suppose this passage will have any effect either, but here goes:Third, nowhere does the Bible ever say Saul was saved. On the contrary, it indicates that he was not saved....
Let's look at that Psalm.Psalm 69:28 tells us that names can be blotted out of the book of life....
Jason teaches this
As for God destroying believers: Well, the Scriptures say that Christ will send forth his angels to remove all who do sin or iniquity within his Kingdom so as to be cast into the furnace of fire (Which would obviously be so as to destroy them).
Revelation 11:15 [ Seventh Trumpet: The Kingdom Proclaimed ] Then the seventh angel sounded: And there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!”
So yes of course God will cast all things that offend Him out of His kingdom, Jason that is no evidence people lose their salvation.
What a severe twisting of Christ's own words, not shocking what you believe though considering all your postings.
The wheat and tares parable prove that the elect are those whom the Lord planted, the sons of the kingdom are saved, while the devil plants the tares (weeds) in among those God plants (wheat) and tares are the ones who offended God's holy angels right away and will be destroyed in the fire. Yet you teach the sons of the kingdom that God planted turn into the tares!! Jason your just plain crazy doctrines are foolishness.
You do realize Jason, that God had put his seal on His plants, the wheat, sons of the kingdom, so the angels who see into the spiritual realm could tell who was who immediately and wanted to pluck out only the tares planted by Satan.
Tares and wheat look similar, but to a trained observer (God's angels) they can tell them apart. They are demonstrably different by their budding fruits heads.
But the sons of the kingdom and the tares God says both must grow together to be split apart at the judgement day, lest the wheat be damaged.
God's only concern is to protect His wheat crop that will be put into His barn.
It appears to me, that you will deliberately corrupt all the scriptures to support your crazy views. Just like Peter said.
Where did you get the idea that what spoke to Saul was simply a "being who looked like Samuel"? The Bible very directly refers to him as Samuel. You have added a false idea to the Scripture.
So now, it may have even been a demonic being. Wowsers. The Bible calls him Samuel. 1 Sam 28:12 - When the woman saw Samuel, she cried out with a loud voice; and the woman spoke to Saul, saying, “Why have you deceivedme? For you are Saul.”
Your comments demonstrate that you don't believe the Bible.
Then, v.14 - He said to her, “What is his form?” And she said, “An old man is coming up, and he is wrapped with a robe.” And Saul knew that it was Samuel, and he bowed with his face to the ground and did homage.
More confirmation that what Saul saw WAS Samuel.
Would anyone being comforted in hearing about dying the next day? Samuel was specific in what he told Saul in v.19 - “Moreover the LORD will also give over Israel along with you into the hands of the Philistines, therefore tomorrow you and your sons will be with me. Indeed the LORD will give over the army of Israel into the hands of the Philistines!”
Two things are clear from v.19:
1. Saul was discomforted because Israel would be given over to the hands of the Philistines
2. Saul would die and be with Samuel
If Samuel only meant that Saul would die the next day, he used mighty odd phraseology to communicate that.
He told Saul that Saul would be with him. That's personal. Saul would be where Samuel would be the next day; in Paradise.
I've given clear Scripture that refutes your views and your response is to deny what the Scriptures say.
First you want to change Scripture to mean "some being, possibly demonic even". Then you want to change what Samuel meant.
Big deal. Notice the brackets. That means it's not in the original. And the AB is only a paraphrased translation anyway, and not regarded by scholars.
Sounds like another paraphrased version.
Since you've shown no regard for what the Scriptures actually SAY, I don't suppose this passage will have any effect either, but here goes:
1 Sam 10:1-7
1 Then Samuel took the flask of oil, poured it on his head, kissed him and said, “Has not the LORD anointed you a ruler over His inheritance?
2 “When you go from me today, then you will find two men close to Rachel’s tomb in the territory of Benjamin at Zelzah;and they will say to you, ‘The donkeys which you went to look for have been found. Now behold, your father has ceased to be concerned about the donkeys and is anxious for you, saying, “What shall I do about my son?’”
3“Then you will go on further from there, and you will come as far as the oak of Tabor, and there three men going up to God at Bethel will meet you, one carrying three young goats, another carrying three loaves of bread, and another carrying a jug of wine;
4 and they will greet you and give you two loaves of bread, which you will accept from their hand.
5 “Afterward you will come to the hill of God where the Philistine garrison is; and it shall be as soon as you have come there to the city, that you will meet a group of prophets coming down from the high place with harp, tambourine, flute, and a lyre before them, and they will be prophesying.
6 “Then the Spirit of the LORD will come upon you mightily, and you shall prophesy with them and be changed into another man.
7 “It shall be when these signs come to you, do for yourself what the occasion requires, for God is with you.
That may sound like an unbeliever to some, but not to me. And I quoted this passage, not for your benefit, but for any who are following this to prove that Saul was saved. The FACT that Scripture SAYS that he would be "changed into another man" is a reference to being regenerated, esp given the FACT that the Spirit of the LORD will come upon him.
These FACTS are undeniable.
No, it says do not let them be recorded among the righteous. Meaning, only the righteous can be in such a book. Oh, and yes; Even people who were of a large group of people that was at war with God's people can come to the Lord. Rahab is just one example.Let's look at that Psalm.
"May they be blotted out of the book of life And may they not be recorded with the righteous."
First, this is David's REQUEST about his adversaries, not a statement about God's plan.
Second, scholars say that every human in history has his/her name in the book of life. Those who die without having believed in Christ are blotted out of that book.
So, either way, the verse sure doesn't support loss of salvation.
But again, the Bible talks about how seals can be broken elsewhere. So this does not prove your case. Nowhere does the verse say that it is an unbreakable seal. That is something you are adding to the text, my friend. The Bible is very clear on the topic of believers falling away.This is a false defense for conditional security. The Bible TELLS us what the sealing is FOR: the day of redemption. That's the purpose FOR the sealing. The DAY of redemption.
And keep in mind that there are no verses that speak of this seal being broken BEFORE the DAY of redemption.
Especially by any "man".
Thank you for the insult. I will rejoice in God my Savior.Needs to change his title to 'Agent of Men', for that is where his hope is.
No insult, just the truth. You consistently advocate for man's ability to save himself and to keep himself saved. You unnecessarily try to add to an already perfect sacrifice and on top of that, preach that the hope of keeping salvation lies in the hands of fallible men. You rarely consider the sovereignty of God when you discuss the saved and the damned. The change from spiritually dead to spiritually alive is a permanent change brought about by the Holy Spirit. It cannot be earned, and it cannot be undone.Thank you for the insult. I will rejoice in God my Savior.
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I'm not sure where you get the notion that someone becomes supposedly uncleansed. In 1 John, the tense there is present continuous; those who walk in faith are continuously cleansed.Suicide is a sin that leads to hell.
#1. "If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are." (1 Corinthians 3:17).
#2. John says, no murderer has eternal life abiding in them (1 John 3:15). Suicide is self murder.
#3. Scripture says, "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins." (1 John 1:9). How can you confess of your sins if you are dead? Does not 1 John 1:9 say we are forgiven of sin if we confess our sin? In fact, Proverbs 28:13 says he that confesses and forsakes sin shall have mercy.
So we can conclude that Saul was not saved because he committed suicide and stayed dead.
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No insult, just the truth. You consistently advocate for man's ability to save himself and to keep himself saved. You unnecessarily try to add to an already perfect sacrifice and on top of that, preach that the hope of keeping salvation lies in the hands of fallible men. You rarely consider the sovereignty of God when you discuss the saved and the damned. The change from spiritually dead to spiritually alive is a permanent change. It cannot be earned, and it cannot be undone.
I'm not sure where you get the notion that someone becomes supposedly uncleansed. In 1 John, the tense there is present continuous; those who walk in faith are continuously cleansed.
What you say seems to make sense. What I said I guess was along similar lines.I showed him verses where it proves God and Christ sanctify us and not the other way round.
To sanctify means to make holy to God, we are justified by His blood.
Suicide is not trusting Christ for your life. Suicide is self murder, those who suicide we can hope God is merciful, but really they have not overcome this life and only those who believe and are born of God do overcome in life. My view is suicides are not born of God else they would have been overcomers of the world, but a suicide the world has overcome them. in that sense they are unbelieving, without hope in God to save them from the world, their situation, they are self centered not Christ centered.
1 John 5 says it this way
4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.
5 Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?
And then Revelations 21
6 And He said to me, “It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. I will give of the fountain of the water of life freely to him who thirsts.
7 He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son.
8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”
Those who thirst God invites, and they thirst since He is at work within them to draw-drag them to Himself as John 6 says.
But seals are not broken on God's side.But again, the Bible talks about how seals can be broken elsewhere. So this does not prove your case. Nowhere does the verse say that it is an unbreakable seal. That is something you are adding to the text, my friend. The Bible is very clear on the topic of believers falling away.
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But seals are not broken on God's side.
So to think that God would break a seal is incorrect
1 John 1:9 says if we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins. It means exactly what it says. You confess sin and you can then be forgiven of sin. It's not a complicated verse. It means exactly what it says. Forgiveness of sin is tied to one's salvation. For how can it not be?I'm not sure where you get the notion that someone becomes supposedly uncleansed. In 1 John, the tense there is present continuous; those who walk in faith are continuously cleansed.
I showed him verses where it proves God and Christ sanctify us and not the other way round.
To sanctify means to make holy to God, we are justified by His blood.
Suicide is not trusting Christ for your life. Suicide is self murder, those who suicide we can hope God is merciful, but really they have not overcome this life and only those who believe and are born of God do overcome in life. My view is suicides are not born of God else they would have been overcomers of the world, but a suicide the world has overcome them. in that sense they are unbelieving, without hope in God to save them from the world, their situation, they are self centered not Christ centered.
1 John 5 says it this way
4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.
5 Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?
And then Revelations 21
6 And He said to me, “It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. I will give of the fountain of the water of life freely to him who thirsts.
7 He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son.
8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”
Those who thirst God invites, and they thirst since He is at work within them to draw-drag them to Himself as John 6 says.
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