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No wonder you don't like Calvinism. You're getting tainted information full of lies and half truths. You don't even really know what Calvinist theology teaches. For you to try and set yourself up as an authority on the subject is presumptuous, and downright deceptive. the sad thing is, when real Calvinists try to show you where your perceptions are wrong, and where you've been misled, you refuse to believe them, to hang on to your tainted and deceptive information. To coin a phrase, You can't handle the truth!
It is better to remain silent, and be thought to be a fool, than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.
Repent, turn from your sin, and live! Listen and obey the truth of the Lord.
The prodigal son was dead? How was he made alive?
You are speaking of physical death with Lazarus. Are you speaking of physical death with everyone?
Are you familiar with these verses?
Ezekiel 18
30 “Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways,” says the Lord God. “Repent, and turn from all your transgressions, so that iniquity will not be your ruin.
31 Cast away from you all the transgressions which you have committed, and get yourselves a new heart and a new spirit. For why should you die, O house of Israel?
32 For I have no pleasure in the death of one who dies,” says the Lord God. “Therefore turn and live!”
Jesus was talking about the spiritually dead burying the dead, because listening to Jesus they were learning how to be spiritually alive.Yes, even Jesus said, "...Let the dead bury their dead.." (Luke 9:60).
So the whole analogy that the dead cannot do anything (Such as come to God) is not what is taught in Scripture.
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Right on Sister!Jesus was talking about the spiritually dead burying the dead, because listening to Jesus they were learning how to be spiritually alive.
This is not the physically dead burying the physically dead.
And you are putting words in my mouth that I did not say or even think. Nowhere did I say that this was about the physical dead burying the dead. That doesn't even make any sense to even suggest something like that. The point I was trying to make is that those who are spiritually dead can take action (And even turn to God and live).Jesus was talking about the spiritually dead burying the dead, because listening to Jesus they were learning how to be spiritually alive.
This is not the physically dead burying the physically dead.
He that believes the gospel and or in Jesus has everlasting life whereby they are then regenerated. A person choosing of their own free will to believe the gospel is when they pass from death unto life.The spiritual deadness of natural fallen men is one of the most basic concepts in the Bible.
Even Nicodemus should have known that.
We must be born again.
Those who are spiritually dead can take action. Who would ever dispute that?And you made a huge assumption about something I said that I did not say or think. Nowhere did I say that this was about the physical dead burying the dead. That doesn't even make any sense to even suggest something like that. The point I was trying to make is that those who are spiritually dead can take action (And even turn to God and live).
Anyways, the passage in Luke is talking about how they were to follow Jesus and leave their old life behind and let those in whom they had a relationship with once who are spiritually dead bury their own (Who are also spiritually dead). .
So you say.He that believes the gospel and or in Jesus has everlasting life whereby they are then regenerated.
So you say.A person choosing of their own free will to believe the gospel is when they pass from death unto life.
Great scriptures of course."Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life." (John 5:24).
"In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them" (2 Corinthians 4:4). ...
Those who are spiritually dead can take action. Who would ever dispute that?
Spiritually dad people take action all the time. They brush their teeth. They drive their cars. They even have funerals for their loved ones.
But this fact says nothing about their ability to understand the Words and thoughts of God, repent and respond positively to the gospel message.
I wouldn't presume to know for sure that those who followed Jesus were spiritually regenerated yet. But for sure this passage says nothing about the spiritually dead being able to do anything of a spiritual nature - including following Jesus as disciples.
In fact Jesus seems to draw a line between those who were to follow Him and those who they were to leave behind.
So you say.
But the scriptures don't say that they are regenerated after believing the gospel.
Others have another opinion.
And yours is only an opinion and IMO it doesn't make much sense at all.
So you say.
As I see things, one is born again when He responds to the Word of God. When his spirit is regenerated is another matter entirely.
Great scriptures of course.
But they say nothing to bolster your opinion as to when people are regenerated.
The second one doesn't shed much light on things.
The first one only says that the one who is able to hear and believe "has" eternal life and has passed from death to life.
If anything it teaches that these things are a prerequisite to hearing and believing. That's exactly the Calvinist position though isn't it?
I would never say that a wicked unregenerate man cannot turn, do right and save his soul - or even be forgiven of some of his sins. But that doesn't translate to his regenerating His spirit.The analogy is made that a dead person cannot respond. That is the point people bring up so as to make their case. But nowhere does the Bible say that those who are spiritually dead or those who are wicked cannot turn from their wicked ways and be forgiven and bring life to their soul.
On the contrary, the Bible says the wicked can turn from their wickedness and thereby save their soul alive.
"Again, when the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive." (Ezekiel 18:27)....
Obviously you, like most people, are equating the new birth to regeneration of the spirit. I do not hold that position.No. To as many as receive him, to them gave He the power to become the sons of God.
Okay. First. THEY receive Him (Jesus). Second, after they received Christ, God then gave them power to become the sons of God (i.e. the new birth). This new birth applies also to even those who believe on his name, too.
"But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God." (John 1:12).
Nothing."If regeneration precedes faith, then what must a sinner do to be regenerated?"
Who says that regeneration is the same thing as being saved? It seems that you believe that - not I.First of all, if regeneration precedes faith, then it means that the moment after you become a completely regenerated new creature in Christ, you still haven’t yet come to the place where you have put your faith in Christ. In effect, you have salvation, not through faith, but solely by God’s election. You are, moments after God regenerates you, a SAVED UNBELIEVER.
However, one cannot have salvation without faith, though. For without faith, it is impossible to please Him (Hebrews 11:6). And whatsoever is not of faith is sin (Romans 14:23). For by grace are ye saved through FAITH (Ephesians 2:8).
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http://www.goodnewsarticles.com/May04-1.htm
Jesus said, "Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." (John 3:3).Who says that regeneration is the same thing as being saved? It seems that you believe that - not I.
I certainly don't believe that one is justified before faith. Nor does any Calvinist that I know of. Where do you get this stuff.
If you want to know what a Calvinist or I believe all you need to is ask.
First of all, if regeneration precedes faith, then it means that the moment after you become a completely regenerated new creature in Christ, you still haven’t yet come to the place where you have put your faith in Christ. In effect, you have salvation, not through faith, but solely by God’s election. You are, moments after God regenerates you, a SAVED UNBELIEVER.
However, one cannot have salvation without faith, though. For without faith, it is impossible to please Him (Hebrews 11:6). And whatsoever is not of faith is sin (Romans 14:23). For by grace are ye saved through FAITH (Ephesians 2:8).
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http://www.goodnewsarticles.com/May04-1.htm
We know from Scripture that believers are new creatures. There is no evidence at all from Scripture that anyone is a new creature BEFORE they believe, or in order to believe.Nothing.
I would think it goes without saying that a sinner can do nothing to create the new creature that he must become. That is the work of God as the scriptures plainly teach.
No. The carnal mind is simply talking about those who live after the flesh and ALSO think they can serve God at the same time. Meaning, they are Antinomians. The Pharisees were similar in a way. They ignored the weightier matters of the law, like justice, mercy, and faith (Matthew 23:23). For to be spiritually minded is life. For there is no Condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus who walk not after the flesh (sin) but who walk after the Spirit. So it is talking about having the right state of mind and behavior after one has been saved and it contrasts it with those who try to please God and also themselves.Romans 8
5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be.
8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
So to please God you must be a spiritual man. The unsaved natural carnal man can not be subject to God's law since it is at war with God.
So then how is such a mind going to submit itself to believing obedience regarding God's command to repent? Using the flesh of their natural mind? According to the scripture this is impossible.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be
Oh really now?No. The carnal mind is simply talking about those who live after the flesh and ALSO think they can serve God at the same time. Meaning, they are Antinomians. The Pharisees were similar in a way. They ignored the weightier matters of the law, like justice, mercy, and faith (Matthew 23:23). For to be spiritually minded is life. For there is no Condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus who walk not after the flesh (sin) but who walk after the Spirit. So it is talking about having the right state of mind and behavior after one has been saved and it contrasts it with those who try to please God and also themselves.
For the focus of Romans 8 is not informing you of something that is out of your control (i.e. forced regeneration). The focus of Romans 8 is to inform you the reader of what you must do. Either you can:
(a) Walk after the Spirit (or):
(b) Walk after the flesh.
(a) Be spiritually minded (or):
(b) Be carnally minded.
But you are making huge leaps of assumption with this text, though. Nowhere does it specifically mention a regeneration here.
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