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It's a lot easier to troll than to actually engage the views of others.
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It's a lot easier to troll than to actually engage the views of others.Tulipbee,
Dude, I don't even want to talk to you anymore, because you are just trolling.
What a totally weird response to my comment. If you disagree with my description of free will, are you able to discuss it or not?Suit yourself. It was just a friendly suggestion, but if you like having no discussion, I'd advise sticking with what you've already posted.
Exposing your lies isn't trolling. Why are you running?
Many people (even most) feel the same as you do about it.
But what it really comes down to is whether or not the idea that God does indeed predestine everything that happens in His creation is the only conclusion to the matter considering what God has revealed to us.
Any systematic theology worth it's salt comes to the same conclusion.
Man's free will is more powerful than God's?
Absolutely false on many levels.
Scripture contradicts your assertion:
1 Tim 2:4
3This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, 4who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.
Ezekiel 18:32
For I take no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Sovereign LORD. Repent and live!
Luke 13:34
O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those sent to her! How often I have longed to gather your children together as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were unwilling.
That would be seriously aSo according to you, all evil acts are God's doing.
Just to be clear, you have a misunderstanding of my view. How is it that man even has the ability of time? God created that which we base our system of time, the solar system, orbits, rotation, etc. God predestined all things in eternity, and didn't base His plan on anything He foreknew. I know I cannot convince you otherwise as well, but these are the views I hold on God's sovereignty.The whole Calvinistic predestination is based on God foreknowing in and using time. I think holding God to time is crazy since as humans we cannot even fully understand eternity
I've read your view. Disagree most stringently.
Period. Constraining God to time is to put human limitations on Him. That's an error.
I almost agree with everything here, minus the bold, but that is ok. I don't know of many people that can agree on everything, especially regarding Theology. I find that God drawing us to Him is true, and then you contradict it with we initiate the relationship. I would say that God can use anyone to accomplish what He purposes. I may need you to clarify 'willing children' before I can comment there.I believe that through the Holy Spirit that God is drawing each one of His own to Himself.
I believe that through faith we initiate this relationship and our salvation, although after we come to God in faith He does all things.
I believe that God uses His willing children in love to do His will.
I believe that He uses us in that way. Not so much with non-believers because they do not invite Him in and God gives us free-will.
I know you will not agree, of course, but that does not change what I think and I make up my own mind.
God predestined all things in eternity, and didn't base His plan on anything He foreknew. .
How does that we live with the constraint of time, proof that God is constrained by time?Just to be clear, you have a misunderstanding of my view. How is it that man even has the ability of time? God created that which we base our system of time, the solar system, orbits, rotation, etc. God predestined all things in eternity, and didn't base His plan on anything He foreknew. I know I cannot convince you otherwise as well, but these are the views I hold on God's sovereignty.
These are followers of Christ who have been saved by His blood a sacrifice for sin on the crossWho told you this?
1Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who reside as aliens, scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, who are chosen 2according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, by the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to obey Jesus Christ and be sprinkled with His blood: May grace and peace be yours in the fullest measure.
Again you misunderstand me. GOD IS NOT RESTRAINED BY TIME.How does that we live with the constraint of time, proof that God is constrained by time?
Obviously if eternity never ends, God is not constrained by time
We
Are as we have a lifespan and will one day die and leave our existence on earth.
Time is very apparent on earth. Plants,
Animals most life has a time to be born and to die.
Then why are you insisting that foreknew happened in the past? That the ones who come to Him were chosen by Him? That He did something before they came to Christ in faith?Again you misunderstand me. GOD IS NOT RESTRAINED BY TIME.
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