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God dont choose unbelivers cause he didn't connect them to be his children before creationI never said there was a problem with Eph 1:4. The problem begins with what Calvinists think that means.
As I have aleady shown, the verse actually says that God has chosen believers. Because the "us" in v.4 is defined in v.19 as believers:
"and what is the surpassing greatness of His power toward us who believe."
That's who the "us" are in 1:4. Believers. God chose believers.
Notice that the verse sure doesn't say that God chose who would be believers.
So now, what's the problem?
My life is not characterized by a life of living in sin day in and day out. There are days I do not sin. For there is a difference in a believer abiding in sin all the time and a believer in stumbling on their road to recovery (Where they will put away sin in their life for good).
God's people are supposed to be holy and not sinful. It is madness to suggest otherwise.
Also, if a believer sins, he confesses that sin and is forgiven of it and cleansed of all unrighteousness. So past sins that are confessed are erased.
This does not mean we have a license to sin as much as we want, though.
Confession is supposed to lead us into holiness and God's goodness. Confession is not mindless lip service. For not everyone that says Lord, Lord unto Him will enter the Kingdom of God. Only those who do His will will enter in (See Matthew 7).
It is madness to suggest that believers abide in sin like their old self. If you come across someone claiming to be Christian, who has not just temporarily stumbled/fallen, but living in constant unrepentant sin they are most likely NOT a believer. Instead of judging them as such and damning them however, you would show them the need for Christ truly, not that they need to obtain some kind of perfection to be free from sin but that He already did for us so that what was once unobtainable through the law is offered freely through grace.My life is not characterized by a life of living in sin day in and day out. There are days I do not sin. For there is a difference in a believer abiding in sin all the time and a believer in stumbling on their road to recovery (Where they will put away sin in their life for good). God's people are supposed to be holy and not sinful. It is madness to suggest otherwise.
There's actually no more need to post anything, now that you've admitted that you're only hoping to be sinless one day.
But you don't have to hope for it. When we lose our physical bodies, and transfer to eternity, we'll all be sinless. Forever.
Who are the "us" in Eph 1:4? Paul makes that clear in 1:19. Believers. That's WHO God chose in 1:4.Paul lays it out for us in the timeline as God choosing us first, not the other way round.
2 Timothy 1
Here we also read of this in v9
Therefore do not be ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me His prisoner, but share with me in the sufferings for the gospel according to the power of God,
9 who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began,
10 but has now been revealed by the appearing of our Savior Jesus Christ, who has abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel,
Can not get more individual and purposeful than that, WE WERE CHOSEN IN HIM before the foundation of the world in love to be His own special people.
Esp when His Word is correctly understood.And everyone said Amen! Thanks be to the Lord.
Truth is never silly.This silly angle that is being played by FreeGrace2 is ridiculous and has been seen as such by anyone paying attention to his methods for a couple of years now.
Unless someone can prove that my argument is circular, your statement is irrelevant and just your opinion.It is a circular argument which no one can refute. That's why he uses it again and again.
Of course. It is believers who are elected. Not how Calvinists think of it: God chooses who will believe. He chose those who have already believed.The statement in the scripture is being addressed to believers. Therefore, so the argument goes, those elected are believers. (Duhh!)
Of course. The timing of all of His choices were in eternity past. That's not the debate. Let's stay focused.Never mind that the entire point of the scripture is to show that these believers were chosen long before they believed.
What have I twisted? Nothing. I have only pointed out what the verse SAYS.The entire truth that the Lord is giving to us in the scriptures is deflected, supposedly, by this absolutely ridiculous twist of words.
It is madness to suggest that believers abide in sin like their old self. If you come across someone claiming to be Christian, who has not just temporarily stumbled/fallen, but living in constant unrepentant sin they are most likely NOT a believer. Instead of judging them as such and damning them however, you would show them the need for Christ truly, not that they need to obtain some kind of perfection to be free from sin but that He already did for us so that what was once unobtainable through the law is offered freely through grace.
A permanent perfect sinless self is impossible in this lifetime, but it is something we would still hope to achieve as closely as possible in our journey. There is good purpose to not have us obtain this state of perfection immediately and before physical death, which I have explained to you a dozen times. Sanctification is a life long and daily process in which we are continually growing to be more like Christ.
"And we all, with unveiled face, beholding the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from one degree of glory to another. For this comes from the Lord who is the Spirit." (2 Corinthians 3:18)
It is madness to suggest that believers abide in sin like their old self. If you come across someone claiming to be Christian, who has not just temporarily stumbled/fallen, but living in constant unrepentant sin they are most likely NOT a believer. Instead of judging them as such and damning them however, you would show them the need for Christ truly, not that they need to obtain some kind of perfection to be free from sin but that He already did for us so that what was once unobtainable through the law is offered freely through grace.
A permanent perfect sinless self is impossible in this lifetime, but it is something we would still hope to achieve as closely as possible in our journey. There is good purpose to not have us obtain this state of perfection immediately and before physical death, which I have explained to you a dozen times. Sanctification is a life long and daily process in which we are continually growing to be more like Christ.
"And we all, with unveiled face, beholding the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from one degree of glory to another. For this comes from the Lord who is the Spirit." (2 Corinthians 3:18)
I guess the madness just will not stop. Why would anyone think that in our resurrection bodies, which are just like Christ's, that we will continue to sin, or even have the ability to sin? Your views are getting farther and farther out.Somebody just made this up and you are believing it. Nowhere does the Bible say we stop sinning when we get to Heaven.
This is just an ad hominem attack.No one "wants to hold on to their sin" because of some desire. That is pure garbage. The FACT is that we will have our sin nature until we separate from our bodies. You've not proven otherwise.This is just an excuse for a believer to hold on to their sin for the rest of their lives because they desire to want to have it in their life (deep down).
I don't intend to humor anyone, but to defend truth. So please take note about what I say. The Bible teaches that we are to avoid sin, and gives us the solution to the FACT that we will continue to sin; confession per 1 Jn 1:9.I mean, humor me for a moment. From your world view or persepctive: If there was the slightest chance that Sinless Perfectionism was taught in the Bibe, wouldn't you want to stop sinning so as to please your Lord?
Which is why I sin less and less.For you are out to please God, right? You are out to be His faithful servant, right?
What kind of weird question is that? When servants aren't faithful and do evil, they are disciplined. Which does NOT include loss of salvation.How can a faithful servant of their Master also do evil against their Lord?
According to 1 Jn 1:8, you have been self deceived and the truth is not in you. Which is why truth "just doesn't add up".For me, that just doesn't add up.
I already have, which you already rejected. Paul's own testimony in Romans 7 and 1 Tim 1:15.In fact, if what you say is actually true, then you will have no problem in making a real world example out of what you believe.
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Someone didn't just make this up, it's obvious to any true believer that once we shed this mortal shell, all that is left is our spiritual self which is completely unshackled from our old sinful nature. Unless you're saying that we'll still be tempted to sin even in Heaven, which I find to be an insane notion.Somebody just made this up and you are believing it. Nowhere does the Bible say we stop sinning when we get to Heaven.
Why do you insist that true believers want to sin and desire to keep sinning? I cannot speak for all but for me personally, this couldn't be further from the truth. I find it truly offensive that you assume that all believers, except for you, desire to live in sin.This is just an excuse for a believer to hold on to their sin for the rest of their lives because they desire to want to have it in their life (deep down).
Of course we want to do well or what's right in His eyes but we fail to do so consistently, that's why believers go through cycles of doubt and despair. Truly think about this for a moment. A believer who has a misplaced trust in their own ability to achieve daily perfection will fail again and again. Additionally, a man who preaches others to do so is not working in His interest, but their own. So please, get off your horse and join us in the real world.I mean, humor me for a moment. From your world view or persepctive: If there was the slightest chance that Sinless Perfectionism was taught in the Bibe, wouldn't you want to stop sinning so as to please your Lord? For you are out to please God, right? You are out to be His faithful servant, right? How can a faithful servant of their Master also do evil against their Lord? For me, that just doesn't add up. In fact, if what you say is actually true, then you will have no problem in making a real world example out of what you believe.
Nowhere does the Bible say we stop sinning when we get to Heaven. This is just an excuse for a believer to hold on to their sin for the rest of their lives because they desire to want to have it in their life (deep down).
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I have given you examples as well as my own testimony, yet you ignore everything I say.First, do you believe the Scriptures where Jesus made real world examples to illustrate spiritual truth (i.e. parables)? Do you believe the Scriptures where the Canaanite woman had expounded upon what Jesus said by using a real world example? I say this because Jesus and others have used real world examples to illustrate spiritual truth. So if what you believe is true, then you should have no problem in doing what the Canaanite woman had done. In other words, please make a real world example out of what you believe if what you say is true.
Your words are most unkind, even if subtle, the way you speak to everyone on these forums. It is not for us to say who is or who should be saved for that authority has been given to Christ. Though we should see the fruit of the Spirit as a result of His work in them, it may not always be evident all the time. If we come across a brother at a moment in his life where he is struggling with a particular sin, should we judge him or lead him back to Christ? For me it seems that you would rather judge them and call them out as someone living in sin or a follower of Satan rather than showing them love and compassion. Do you not see the error in this? May I suggest that you pray for a less arrogant/superior self image and a more compassionate/understanding heart?Second, I am glad you at least recognize that people who claim to be Christian and yet live in their sin as a way of life will not gain entrance into God's Kingdom. There are many who claim to be Christian who are living in a life of sin who believe they are saved. But the problem I see is that they say the very words you are saying, though. They also say that they are justified by Christ and His righteousness and it is not in anything that they do (but they continue to live in sin without impunity). Their message sounds exactly like your message (if not explained in detail). For the listener can easily get the wrong impression when they hear the message that it is not in anything they do but it is what Christ has done by simply believing. Saying this can easily lead people to think they can sin without impunity if not properly explained. This is why I do not see anything different in what you believe versus the person who holds to the view that they can sin without impunity and still be saved.
Correct.Now, please correct me if I am wrong, but from my understanding in what you believe, you hold to the idea that a Christian will always have sin in their life but they will not sin habitually. You believe that if a believer sins, they will confess and forsake their sin BUT they will never be able to stop sinning in this life, though. Is that correct?
Your example fails to illustrate how a believer struggles with sin, and Who they should turn to in order to overcome it.For example: An alcoholic makes a promise to his family that he is going to be sober. But this alcoholic really loves his drink, too. Now, if this alcoholic goes from moments of sobreity to drunkeness back and forth for the rest of his life repeatedly over the course of 25 years until he dies, could you ever classify this person as someone as being a non-alcoholic or someone who was sober and alcohol free? No, of course not. This man was a slave to his sin still. In fact, Jesus says, "he that sins is a slave to sin." In other words, substitute the words "sober" or "alcohol free" with the words "holiness" or "living holy." In other words, is a person really living holy if they are still enslaved to their sin? I do not think so. A believer has to in time overcome their sin (As the Scriptures clearly teach).
You may think that ceasing from sin is impossible (As the Scriptures say), but it is written, "with God all things are possible." (Matthew 19:26).
#1. 1 Peter 4:1 says they that have suffered in the flesh have ceased from sin. How can one continue to sin and also cease from sin?
#2. Galatians 5:24 says they that are Christ's have crucified the affections and lusts? How can one still sin if they have crucified the affections and lusts?
#3. Psalm 119:11, David says, "Your word have I hid in my heart, that I might not sin against you." Why would David be concerned with this if he was always just going to sin anyways no matter what?
#4. Paul says in Romans 6:14 that sin shall not have dominion over you. How does sin not have dominion over a believer if it has dominion over them in the fact that they keep sinning? Is not one of the points of Romans 6 telling us that we cannot continue in sin while under grace?
#5. Jesus said to the woman caught in the act of adultery and to a man he healed to: "sin no more." In fact, to the man he healed, he said that if he did not stop sinning, a worse thing would come upon him. Now, what do you think would happen if this man continued to sin? Does it sound like Jesus is teaching that a man will forever remain in his sins here?
There are sins that lead unto death and there are sins that do not lead unto death (1 John 5:16-18). Sins that lead unto "spiritual death" are those sins that John list that will cause one to face the "second death" or the Lake of Fire. John lists such sins as murder, idolatry, witchcraft, and lying, etc. Paul also mentions these sins several times, too. He said, "they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God." (Galatians 5:21).
In 2 Corinthians 3:18, Paul is not talking specifically about living in sins that lead unto spiritual death here. He does not say that we need to stop murdering, fornicating, lying, and getting drunk etc. so as to conform to the image of Christ. Paul is talking to those saints who have repented of their sins with a Godly sorrow (See 2 Corinthians 7).
I guess the madness just will not stop. Why would anyone think that in our resurrection bodies, which are just like Christ's, that we will continue to sin, or even have the ability to sin? Your views are getting farther and farther out.
This is just an ad hominem attack.No one "wants to hold on to their sin" because of some desire. That is pure garbage. The FACT is that we will have our sin nature until we separate from our bodies. You've not proven otherwise.
I've given you clear teaching from Paul about his own struggle against his own sin nature in Romans 7 and Eph 5. But you continue to kick against the goads.
I don't intend to humor anyone, but to defend truth. So please take note about what I say. The Bible teaches that we are to avoid sin, and gives us the solution to the FACT that we will continue to sin; confession per 1 Jn 1:9.
The command to avoid sin doesn't mean nor prove that we can attain sinless in this life. That is a satanic delusion.
And your frequent comment about a "sin and stay saved" doctrine reveals your total failure to understand WHY Christ died on the cross. How sad.
Your opinion reveals your view that one must cease from sin in order to get saved. Straight from the devil. That is works salvation, trying to earn or deserve it. But it cannot be earned nor is it deserved. That's WHY God gives grace.
Which is why I sin less and less.
What kind of weird question is that? When servants aren't faithful and do evil, they are disciplined. Which does NOT include loss of salvation.
According to 1 Jn 1:8, you have been self deceived and the truth is not in you. Which is why truth "just doesn't add up".
I already have, which you already rejected. Paul's own testimony in....1 Tim 1:15.
What you've epically failed to do is prove your views about achieving sinless perfection in your present body of corruption.
And this is where we see just how WRONG you are. Christ's death has no meaning to you. Forgiveness has no meaning to you. You are so blind and hard of heart, there is no getting through to you.No. See, you think it is okay in God's eyes to let a believer get away with a little bit of evil as long as they confess it. That would be like a wife who allows her husband to cheat on her as long as he keeps saying he is sorry to her. Sorry, it doesn't work like that.
I have given you examples as well as my own testimony, yet you ignore everything I say.
Your words are most unkind, even if subtle, the way you speak to everyone on these forums.
It is not for us to say who is or who should be saved for that authority has been given to Christ.
Though we should see the fruit of the Spirit as a result of His work in them, it may not always be evident all the time. If we come across a brother at a moment in his life where he is struggling with a particular sin, should we judge him or lead him back to Christ? For me it seems that you would rather judge them and call them out as someone living in sin or a follower of Satan rather than showing them love and compassion. Do you not see the error in this? May I suggest that you pray for a less arrogant/superior self image and a more compassionate/understanding heart?
Correct.
Your example fails to illustrate how a believer struggles with sin, and Who they should turn to in order to overcome it.
"But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly of my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may rest upon me. For the sake of Christ, then, I am content with weaknesses, insults, hardships, persecutions, and calamities. For when I am weak, then I am strong." (2 Corinthians 12:9-10)
"More than that, we rejoice in our sufferings, knowing that suffering produces endurance, and endurance produces character, and character produces hope, and hope does not put us to shame, because God's love has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit who has been given to us." (Romans 5:3-5)
"And after you have suffered a little while, the God of all grace, who has called you to his eternal glory in Christ, will himself restore, confirm, strengthen, and establish you." (1 Peter 5:10)
And this is where we see just how WRONG you are. Christ's death has no meaning to you. Forgiveness has no meaning to you. You are so blind and hard of heart, there is no getting through to you.
Nowhere did I say there would be sin in Heaven. I did not say that. Folks here are claiming they will put away sin for good when they go to Heaven. I am saying that the believer who lives out his faith in this life will do that before they die.Jason you're crazy weird here, in Hebrews 12 it says of our heavenly home this about people, they are made perfect in spirit.
22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels, 23 to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect, 24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.
No sin, if scripture says we are made perfect, their is no sin in heaven.
Jason you need to repent, your misrepresenting God and sinning against Him in your false teaching, you're lying about Christ and God.
Christ has appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.
Greatness of Christ’s Sacrifice
23 Therefore it was necessary that the copies of the things in the heavens should be purified with these, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.24 For Christ has not entered the holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us; 25 not that He should offer Himself often, as the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood of another— 26 He then would have had to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now, once at the end of the ages, He has appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself. 27 And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment, 28 so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.
THERE IS NO SIN IN HEAVEN.
Therefore it was necessary that the copies of the things in the heavens should be purified with these, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these
It is very clear that you assume that all who take issue with your interpretation are living in a constant state of sin. It drips from your posts. You couldn't be more wrong. Those who participate here are not living like that. They wouldn't be here trying to correct your faulty understanding if they were. So, the truth is, in misrepresenting us, you are bearing false witness against us, a sin, which you apparently have not yet repented of, because you keep doing it.
Jason, please actually read my words and understand. Your understanding of a person's salvation is too narrowly focused on what men (should) do, once saved. You choose to ignore the part where God works in a believer throughout the whole entire process. When we say that the ONLY reason we are righteous before God is because of Christ, we speak the Truth because that is what the Bible teaches us. If you didn't choose to ignore this fact about the Gospel then you would understand that we would never tell someone they have to live perfectly because we know that Christ has them and the Holy Spirit will guide them. A man who is truly God's child will not run off and live in sin, thinking they are saved because, as you say in post #2376, "Christ lives in the believer" as it is written: "I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me." (Galatians 2:20)I never said to anyone here personally that they are living in a constant state of sin with the thinking they are saved. I said there are those who believe that way and I have pointed out that their message is not all that different than your message when it is preached. What is that message? That Christ is your righteousness and salvation is not in anything you do. Meaning, if that is all you say to a person, they could get the wrong impression and they could run off and live in sin and think they are saved. It doesn't matter if you believe that those who live in such a way are in the wrong. The point I am getting at is that the message is still the same that leads to the same end result (if not explained properly).
But no. I am not denying that there are folks here who believe that they must strive to avoid sin, but yet they also believe they will never stop sinning in this life. I also do not deny that they confess their sin, either. I have no reason to not believe them if they tell me that is what they believe. But then after they tell me their belief, I can then say it is not a correct belief according to God's Word and by way of a real world example.
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How about out of your own mouth? From my post #2369, in which I quoted directly your post:Where did I ever say that we would sin in heaven or deny that our body of sin will be removed?
None of them teach anything close to that, unless you want to argue that Paul was off his rocker when he wrote Romans 7 and Eph 5.The point I was making is that you are believing that a believer will not stop sinning until they die and go to Heaven. But the Scriptures teach that we can stop sinning now in this life (1 Peter 4:1) (Galatians 5:24) (Romans 6:14) (Psalm 119:11) (Matthew 5:48) (John 5:14) (John 8:11) (Hebrews 12:14).
The ONLY reason anyone would call you "some pretty bad stuff" is because of the extremely unbiblical things you say.Nowhere did I specifically mention you. I am merely attacking the belief and speaking generally of those who hold to this view. Granted, I realize that you do hold to this belief, but I am striving to not drag you or your personal life into it. This forum is not a facebook discussion; We are here to discuss God's Word. Anyways, I believe I have presented Scriptures that makes it all too clear that we can stop sinning in this life. Your not wanting to acknowledge such a truth does not change it in God's Word, my friend. But I do believe that people do not believe or do things without a reason or motivation behind it. I believe that if a person does sin or some kind of evil (Whether it be a lot of sin or a little bit of sin), they are doing so for a reason. This is why I believe many in the OSAS camp have gotten upset with me and have called me some pretty bad stuff over the years.
This is pure fantasy. Paul used the present tense throughout the chapter. But ignore if if you want.In the bulk of Romans 7, Paul is talking from his perspective as a Jew before he became a Christian.
That's just more fantasy. He is addressing the Jews in the congregation. That's all.In Romans 7:1, Paul says he speaks to those who know the Law. Meaning, he is speaking from a perspective of being under the Law from his old life.
cherry picking verses out of the air don't help you. Just reading ch 7 shows clearly that Paul's struggle between his 2 natures is continuing. The present tense completely defeats your claims.How so? Well, in Romans 7:14, Paul says he is sold under sin. Yet, in Romans 8:2, Paul says he is free from sin. So unless Paul has a split personality, he is clearly speaking from two different perspectives here. For Paul speaks in at least one other place in Scripture from another perspective (See Galatians 2:18).
Of course no one would try to defend what they bon't believe. Duh. And you're right; we both cannot be right. And I've consistently and repeatedly shown how your view is the wrong one.Also, I believe I am defending the truth of the Scriptures, too; However, we both cannot be right, though.
Now?? I've ALWAYS said that.Now, you are saying that you are to avoid sin and to confess sin when it happens.
Did I say any of that nonsense? No. So stop putting stupid words in the mouths of others. The Bible tells us that our sin nature WILL struggle with our new nature. Do you deny that truth?But one cannot really avoid sin because in your belief they will always be dragged back into sin like a magnet sticking to a piece of metal.
You seem to be totally clueless as to my view. So stop trying to describe or define it.There is no real avoidance of sin in your view.
This is just idiotic. When functioning under the new nature and the filling of the Holy Spirit, sin does NOT have any dominion over the believer.In your belief, sin has dominion over you.
And it doesn't when the believer continues to confess their sins and lives from the new nature, not the old one.But Paul says, in Romans 6:14, that sin shall not have dominion over you.
That is true and has nothing to do with sinless perfection.Please take note that in Romans 6, one of the points Paul is making is for us not to continue in sin while under grace.
None. Of course it doesn't help him. Which is why he prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour. 1 Pet 5:8What advantage does the devil have if a believer actually attains in living a holy life? I do not see how that helps him.
Yep. These are commands. And no one keeps all the commands perfectly or consistently, even yourself. As you've already admitted.On the contrary, the Scriptures say, "be ye angry and sin not..." (Ephesians 4:26), "Neither give place to the devil" (Ephesians 4:27).
Because the Bible teaches that sinners are saved when they believe in Christ. And we're all sinners, including yourself. As you've already admitted.So you admit that you believe in a "sin and still be saved" doctrine on some level?
Yes, because eternal life is a gift of God (Rom 6:23) and God's gifts are irrevocable (Rom 11:29).Do you believe that you can die in urepentant sin and still be saved?
The Bible teaches that. But, do you believe what the Bible teaches? The book of Hebrews covers that in detail in ch 8-10.Do you believe all future sin is paid for?
Since no legitimate Bible teacher ever teaches such trash, why would anyone even come to that nonsense conclusion?How does that not lead one to think the wrong thing about salvation whereby they will live a life of sin without impunity?
Based on what, exactly? Your hope to reach sinlessness? So why did Christ die for your sins?I believe I have an assurance of my salvation now (Which is based upon various verses in Scripture).
Not to continue to be saved, but to be blessed and rewarded.But I also realize that I must continue in the faith, though.
We are not to be compared to Adam and his sin. But sin does separate us from God's fellowship, which is the point of 1 Jn 1. Though I don't expect you to understand that, since you haven't understood just how much 1 Jn 1:8 totally refutes your views.Again, even one sin is enough to cause tremendous problems even spiritually. For it only took one sin to separate God from man in the Garden.
Where did I say "get away with" anything? Again, stop putting stupid words in my mouth.No. See, you think it is okay in God's eyes to let a believer get away with a little bit of evil as long as they confess it.
Your so-called explanation doesn't come close to the actual words at all. They refute you.I have already explained to you what 1 John 1:8 is actually saying.
Nonsense. 1 Tim 1:15 is in the present tense.Paul is not declaring he is a sinner in the present tense. Again, as I said before, see verse 13 (1 Timothy 1:13).
Uh, yeah, before he believed. But v.15 totally destroys all your views.Paul says BEFORE he was a blasphemer, etc. (As a part of his old life).
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